Monday, July 24, 2017

Declaration of Victory: Sorcerer’s Apprentices

Reached quorum. Is popular and has been open for 12 hours. Enacted by card.

Adminned at 26 Jul 2017 16:00:25 UTC

Since some steps require posting to the blog, I couldn’t have made this a combo post, so I apologize. I did the following:

- Recieved 15 mana by making three promises consisting of “I promise I will give the Seraphim 6 mana within 96 hours of making this Promise.” (Promises #10-12)
- Created the two golems, Gneins and Gnozwei (whose initial promises are #13 and #14). Afterwards, my mana was 9, and my stamina was 0.
- Taken 14 Stamina as a weekly action.
- Created the two golems, Gnodrei and Gnovier (whose initial promises are #15 and #16). Afterwards, my mana was 3, and my stamina was 0.
- Activated Gneins. Gneins then made the 20 promises, as instructed, and gave me 100 mana.
- Set my mana to 0, promised: “I promise not to create a Golem with any engraved promise: “I promise to make 20 promises of the form ‘I promise I will give the Seraphim 6 mana within 96 hours of making this Promise’, and then give the Pactmaker named pokes 100 mana.”, and then activate it, so as to gain mana.”, and gained 1 Gnosis.
- Repeated the previous two steps, activating Gnozwei, Gnodrei, and Gnovier, in that order, gaining 3 more Gnosis.
- Received 100 mana by making the promise: “I promise I will give the Seraphim 6 mana within 96 hours of making this Promise.” personally 20 more times.
- Set my mana to 0, promised: “I promise not to personally make 20 promises of the form ‘I will give the Seraphim 6 mana within 96 hours of making this Promise’ so as to gain mana.”, and gained 1 Gnosis.
- Having 5 Gnosis, became a Diety.

As a Diety, I have achieved victory.

posted by pokes at 24 Jul 2017 22:20:00 UTC Comments (15)

Comments

Thunder: he/him

24-07-2017 22:23:49 UTC

No such thing as a “diety,” but whatever. for

Madrid:

24-07-2017 22:28:51 UTC

against

Check my DoV & Combo

Took me a while to write it though.

Thunder: he/him

24-07-2017 22:29:10 UTC

against

pokes:

24-07-2017 22:33:21 UTC

For the record: in terms of actual posting time, mine was first; yours is significantly backdated.

Madrid:

24-07-2017 22:35:15 UTC

Yes, very much so, by a couple minutes.

Madrid:

24-07-2017 22:36:05 UTC

I started opening tabs like mad to post my copypasta once you posted that message lol.

Madrid:

24-07-2017 22:43:44 UTC

There is some screwy ordering and duplicates apparently, hrm.

card:

24-07-2017 23:30:26 UTC

for

Thunder: he/him

25-07-2017 16:18:12 UTC

for

Madrid:

25-07-2017 16:31:23 UTC

Oh well for

Dewaldo:

26-07-2017 15:01:25 UTC

against
<backquote>
Promise to never use again any method/s (as in the full pathway, partial uses of the pathway of the method wouldn’t break the promise) they used to gain mana during that 12-hour period
</backquote>

This clause under the Gnosis rule could be interpreted a few different ways. I feel that the pathway in question involved both Golem engraving and the “I promise I will give the Seraphim 6 mana within 96 hours of making this Promise” quest. I think this exploit could be used to gain 1 Gnosis but not 5. It also seems like a new promise of not to use a pathway to gain mana must be made each time a Gnosis is claimed, meaning very 5 different pathways need to be found before claiming deity. This may not be the understanding or intention of this clause, so I will defer to others, but that’s my interpretation.

pokes:

26-07-2017 15:36:01 UTC

That’s a good point, and I think rests on the ambiguity of whether a promise made can be made again. This also effects whether I (or a Golem, or Cuddlebeam) can make 20 of the same promise to get 100 Mana (for brevity and to borrow your word, let’s call making the 20 promises ‘questing’).

Assuming a promise can be made again, the quoted rule sounds to me like you have to promise not to use the entire pathway, as if the pathway is one unit that you are now banned from from start to finish. I did promise not to use this pathway (make Golem, activate Golem so that it can quest), and even could have made distinct promises by adding the specific Golem name.

That said, it’s quite possible that I broke my promise not to use the pathway. I think that I did not, because the Golems had already been made before I made any Gnosis promises, which were in part not to create any Golems, which I didn’t. But it’s ambiguous, and even if I did, promises can still be broken and as long as there’s no enacted Backlash post I can continue on albeit in dangerous territory.

pokes:

26-07-2017 15:37:56 UTC

(I’m on mobile so the above was hard to edit, and it might ramble on a bit. I can expand on this thought-dump closer to 21:00UTC)

Dewaldo:

26-07-2017 15:57:46 UTC

Ah, yeah I guess there’s nothing stopping you from breaking the Promise anyways :P Is there even a mechanism for stopping DoVs if someone is undergoing Magical Seizures?

card:

26-07-2017 15:59:22 UTC

Not really, since posting a DoV is not a Dynastic Action.