Friday, November 03, 2023

Proposal: Specialty Shop

Timed out 1-5. Failed by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 05 Nov 2023 07:18:07 UTC

If “Special Wizards And Tactics Team” was not enacted, this Proposal has no effect.

In the rule “Style”, directly after “Hooded,” add “Gilded,” directly after “Knobbed,” add “Obsidian,” and directly after “Wispy,” add “Evil Gotee,”.

In the subrule “Special Styles”, replace “Kevlar” with “Dragonhide” and add the following text to the list of Special Styles:

Gilded
Benefit: Whenever you receive Stars due to the Charm of a Spell, if the Charm of that Spell is at least 3, you receive 1 extra Star.

Obsidian
Benefit: During a Duel, you automatically lose 1 Star to power the magic of this Staff. If the first spell effect that is applied to you comes from a Wizard without an Obsidian staff, that spell has no effect. If it comes from a Wizard with an Obsidian staff, the spell has the normal effect, but it automatically costs the Wizard who cast it 3 extra Stars (this is only 3 extra Stars for the entire Duel regardless of how many affected Wizards have an Obsidian staff).

Evil Gotee
Benefit: Whenever you cast a Spell with an Effect whose text states explicitly that it causes one or more Wizards to lose Stars, the Wizard with the lowest position in the Wizard Ring among those affected Wizards loses 1 extra Star.

In the rule “Spells”, rename the subrule “Harden” to “Upgrade” and replace the contents of that subrule with the following text:

Cost: 5
Inputs: One of the Style types of Hat, Robes, Staff, or Beard
Effect: The Style of the Wizard casting this Spell is changed to the Special Style corresponding to the type chosen in the Inputs.
Traits: Reclusive

Comments

lendunistus: he/him

03-11-2023 07:27:49 UTC

you forgot to change kevlar to dragonhide in the style list FYI

lendunistus: he/him

03-11-2023 07:34:06 UTC

also, the obsidian staff seems quite busted? you’re pretty much just making it so that nobody is ever going to cast any sort of offensive spell on you (you lose the ability to accept gifts, but that’s very much a worthy trade-off)

and Gilded seems quite weak compared to the other two, I’d reduce its cost to 3 or something (which is also why I made Kevlar have its own spell instead of just having a generic spell that applies a Special Style)

and I don’t think the “During a Duel” wording in Obsidian works

lendunistus: he/him

03-11-2023 12:55:55 UTC

well, it’s edit locked now, so against

would maybe support a fixed reproposal

JonathanDark: he/him

03-11-2023 12:55:55 UTC

It’s past the 4-hour edit window, so if people like the idea well enough, I can follow this Proposal up with adjustments, or re-Propose if it fails.

Regarding the kevlar to dragonhide: oops. That will definitely make that one not work.

I wrote this proposal with the idea that Fashion Makeover would also be enacted, so at worst for a cost of 3 Stars, you can get rid of someone’s Obsidian staff and make them have to pay 5 Stars to get it back (same with the other Specialty Styles). Don’t forget that the Effect says “the first effect that is applied”,  so it’s possible that someone else will pay that cost if their Spell’s effect is applied before yours. Doom Cloud would do such a thing.

I wanted it to be a single Spell for all Specialty Styles because it raises the bar for acquiring them. It’s a lot easier to Snipe. If Gilded is the outlier that makes it not worth the cost, then I could make Gilded more valuable in some way. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Raven1207: he/they

03-11-2023 15:03:44 UTC

against

Clucky: he/him

03-11-2023 17:57:29 UTC

against

Obsidian basically makes doom cloud prohibitably expensive. It also has some weird timing issues where only the first wizard gets their Obsidian staff to work. While its good that three Obsidian staffs don’t make a doom cloud cast 10, I feel like if Josh and Kevan both have Obisdian staffs and both get targeted with different spells… they should both still work.

Maybe make Obsidian cost only be +1 and change it to “for a given casting of a spell, this is only extra Stars for the entire Duel regardless of how many affected Wizards have an Obsidian staff”

JonathanDark: he/him

03-11-2023 19:07:09 UTC

What do you think of a spell for each Special Style rather than one Spell that does all styles? lendunistus had a good point about the cost of the spell varying per Special Style based on how powerful the Benefit is.

Clucky: he/him

03-11-2023 19:30:51 UTC

I think limiting spells is a good idea. You can maybe introduce an adjustable cost. But limiting spells makes it easier to snipe and makes charm less beneficial which I think are good.

JonathanDark: he/him

03-11-2023 19:39:51 UTC

I was thinking along the same lines. So maybe the Cost is “variable depending on Special Style” and then the actual cost is part of the Special Style definition for each one.

Zack: he/him

04-11-2023 13:43:29 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

04-11-2023 20:42:57 UTC

against