Friday, September 23, 2016

Proposal: Splitting Hairs

Timed out 2 votes to 2. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 25 Sep 2016 18:33:54 UTC

Replace the text in the rule “Atomic Actions” that reads

An Atomic Action is a series of steps, defined in the Ruleset as a numbered list,

with the following:

An Atomic Action is a series of steps, defined in the Ruleset as a numbered list or as a series of clauses in a single sentence,

Kevan’s use of the term in “Survey Says” seems reasonable too.


Kevan: he/him

24-09-2016 07:40:17 UTC

Good idea, but I’m a bit nervous about widening this to something as broad as “clauses in a sentence” when the penalty for starting a set of clauses you can’t finish is to be locked out of the game entirely.

If we have some mundane sentence of actions which are affected by another rule (“a player who does X must also do Y” and later in the ruleset “a player with no Z may not do Y”), this could lock out a player who took the action and but failed to “complete all its steps”.

Kevan: he/him

24-09-2016 08:57:00 UTC

Ah, I forgot the hour clause. But this would still be a problem if a core rule had a “series of clauses” like this.

Kevan: he/him

24-09-2016 17:12:34 UTC

This would feel safer if instead of saying “all its steps are considered illegal and may be reverted”, we said that any other player could step in and finish processing the actions.

Kevan: he/him

25-09-2016 08:28:26 UTC

against for now.

Josh: he/they

25-09-2016 12:12:56 UTC

I feel like Kevan’s objections, while valid, are edge cases that it may or may not be possible to refine away.  for as this is better that the status quo.

Brendan: he/him

25-09-2016 14:47:14 UTC

In my next proposal, I’ll tack on some more specificity—eg that an Atomic Action must be specified as such and that it is confined to only the steps in that list/sentence.

Kevan: he/him

25-09-2016 14:59:18 UTC

The worst case is that we realise a core or glossary rule contains an impossible Atomic Action causing every proposal and CfJ to be reverted an hour later. We’d be able to repeal the Atomic Actions rule by CfJ to fix it, but it would be annoying.

RaichuKFM: she/her

25-09-2016 16:36:22 UTC