Tuesday, February 13, 2007

Proposal: Spreading my wings, artistically

Defeated unanimously. Josh

Adminned at 15 Feb 2007 04:34:14 UTC

Add a new rule, entitled “Indie Cinema”:

Actors may occasionally chose to work on an indie film. Indie films have three roles that must be filled by different before the film can commence production. These roles are:

Writer - an Actor must have work experience as an Extra before e can be a Writer on an indie film.
Director - an Actor must have work experience as an Nth Minor Character before e can be a Director on an indie film.
Producer - an Actor must have work experience as a named role before e can be a Producer of an indie film.

If an Actor wants to make an indie film, e must post to the gamestate with a title and a brief outline of the plot for eir film. That actor must be the Writer. Other Actors may then lobby for the other roles; the Writer may chose a Producer and the Producer may chose a Director from those who have expressed an interest. The Director may then select any number of interested Actors to act in the indie. When all three roles are filled, all Actors involved may add their indie to their filmographies along with their respective roles. A link should be provided to the proposing post, and the Producer should also make a note of the film’s budget (see below).

Production on an indie is considered to start from the moment that the Producer selects a Director, and is finished when the Producer posts to the gamestate to declare it so. This post must detail the amount of Fame gained by each member of the cast and crew, as detailed below. The Producer must declare the film complete between five and nine days after it has started production; if nine days elapse without the Producer declaring the film to be complete, then the film collapses. No Actor may be involved with more than one indie that is in production at a time.

At the end of the production, each Actor gains or loses fame according to eir role. All values are rounded to the nearest whole number. The sum of the fame of the Writer, Director and Producer at the beginning of the production is defined as the “budget”; the same number at the end of the run is the “revenue”.

* Writer: 1/2 of the difference between the budget at the beginning of the project, and the revenue at the end of the project (before this change is applied)
* Director: The difference between the budget at the beginning of the project, and the revenue at the end of the project (before this change is applied)
* Producer: 2 if the Writer and Director gained Fame; -2 if they lost fame; 0 if they neither gained nor lost
* Actor: 4 if the Writer, Director and Producer gained fame; -4 if they lost fame; 0 if they neither gained nor lost

Comments

snowballinhell7001:

13-02-2007 13:58:40 UTC

Akk…too much thinking for me at the moment… against

Amnistar: he/him

13-02-2007 14:11:13 UTC

So, correct me if I’ve got this wrong, but it seems like you can only gain fame from an indie production if you’ve lost fame since the film was started.

ChronosPhaenon:

13-02-2007 14:18:02 UTC

against The idea is good. The implementation not that good.

Besides, there’s no such a thing as a “post to the gamestate”. There are “Entries” or “Posts”.

Josh: he/they

13-02-2007 14:18:44 UTC

Shouldn’t it be the other way around? Half the difference between before and after, so if before =4 and after =8, then the difference is 4, so the profit in fame is 2.

Josh: he/they

13-02-2007 14:55:14 UTC

Chronos, just because the term hasn’t been used before doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have meaning. Otherwise we’d have to squeeze an entire dictionary into the glossary, which would be a mite ridiculous.

ChronosPhaenon:

13-02-2007 15:12:50 UTC

My AGAINST was not based on that. That was only a side point.

Considerations: It doesn’t say when the “revenue” value is fixed. The way it’s written, one can read this as:

- Calculate Revenue
- Aplly Writer Bonus/Penalty
- Calculate Revenue
- Aplly Director Bonus/Penalty
- Aplly Producer and Actor Bonus/Penalty

That is my main concern.

Another side point (not impeditive) is that I think the author of the post should be the Producer. Also, in the spirit of the Indies, one should qualify for more than one role.

As I said before, the Idea is very good, but needs some work.

Josh: he/they

13-02-2007 15:26:36 UTC

I didn’t think it was, and I’m not contesting your other points because they have varying degrees of validity. It’s just that that’s a phrase that I occasionally use, and it’s never been complained about before.

The definition of revenue does say “end of the run”, though, which - while being, I accept, sloppily worded - should still be enough to prevent the scam you identify.

Amnistar: he/him

13-02-2007 17:25:39 UTC

against  Because it’s not clear which number is subtracted from which.

ChinDoGu:

13-02-2007 21:40:07 UTC

against Its got a lot of problems, but its a very good idea.  You will also need to update the rule filmographys when you add this, since filmographys currently requires an IMDB link.

viewtyjoe:

14-02-2007 17:46:41 UTC

against

peacefulwarrior:

14-02-2007 18:26:22 UTC

against

Hix:

14-02-2007 23:48:20 UTC

against

spikebrennan:

15-02-2007 04:46:29 UTC

against