but I think the either the Stations or the Ingresses need to be adjusted. A Guard at V and and a Guard at I pretty much boxes in the Ingress at X making it not much better than it is today.

Needing two guards does make it better. Maybe we should add an XR connection there is a door there too on the actual map,

“it’ll make it a bit easier for guards to get around to account for this disadvantage.” – this is very misleading, the more connections there are the better it is for the Burglars, and the fewer connections there are the better it is for the Guards. So this proposal is basically giving the Guards two different disadvantages.

The proposal might nonetheless be an improvement despite that, but the Guards probably need better Preparation Actions to compensate – it’s a major balance change.

without it, guards have a hard time accessing the N wing so I think it will help them overall. Not to mention just make the map more balanced. I don’t buy the idea that more connections inherently helps the burglars both sides need freedom to move around

You can get to the N wing easily from O.

Limiting connections is good for Guards because their strategy relies primarily on cornering Burglars, and that works better the more corners there are. (One way to think about it is that past the first few Minutes, a connection is basically only useful for a Guard if they can use it to chase a Burglar – but if the connection wasn’t there, the Burglar wouldn’t be able to escape in that direction anyway.)

This wording doesn’t work, as it’s trying to replace text that is already going to be replaced by “The Travelling Policeman Problem”, so it won’t make the expected rule changes if enacted.

I do think that having a more connected map is generally better, even though it favours the Burglars – we can balance around that later. I also like the removal of Ingress-camping, although I think the Guards should be given better Preparation Actions to compensate.

had plenty of other proposals that we’ve fixed stuff later in no idea why you don’t wanna do the same thing here

Since “The Travelling Policemen Problem” is going to pass, I would recommend Revising this proposal via Withdrawal instead of Pass-And-Revise, since the main point of this proposal (Guards cannot simply camp Ingresses) will not go through due to replacing non-existent text.

This still gets the base ideas in place. Easy to fix any issues caused by other proposals in a follow up. There have already been a few other proposals this dynasty that have been voted through despite needing clear followup fixes

@Clucky: Withdrawing and reposting it is much faster than having to wait for a new proposal, because you don’t have to wait for your slots to recharge.

Abstaining.

Actually , “Add “Update W and S to be connected, then delete this step” to the final step of the Break-In” will delete the current final step (privately informing Agents of their discoveries).

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