Sunday, February 04, 2007

Suggestion to Admins: cleanup of withdrawn proposals

“Do them again! And don’t forget the garden. Then scrub the terrace, sweep the halls and the stairs, clean the chimney. And of course there’s the mending and the sewing and the laundry…” (Evil Stepmother from Cinderella, 1950)

A number of the early Proposals have been withdrawn by their proposers (proposer voted against).  If it’s permitted, I would suggest that those Proposals be adminned, to help clear out the queue and so that attention can be focused on the remaining ones.

Comments

Elias IX:

04-02-2007 16:51:13 UTC

against If this happened, there’s no incentive for players to proofread their proposals before posting.

Kevan: he/him

04-02-2007 16:59:44 UTC

Well, some incentive; they’d have to wait for an admin to get around to failing the proposal.

But no, Spike, Rule 1.5 says that only the oldest pending Proposal may be enacted or failed - they have to pass or fail in order, and we’re still waiting for “Actors Need Representation” to either be self-killed, or to get one more AGAINST vote.

spikebrennan:

04-02-2007 17:46:11 UTC

Then (if I were eligible to make a Proposal at this time, which I’m not, because I have two outstanding unAdminned proposals) I might suggest a Proposal that permits an Admin to admin a proposal that has been withdrawn by its original proposer, but only if at the time of the adminning, there are, say, eight or more active Proposals.  This would be an amendment to Rule 1.5.  But seing as how I can’t make a Proposal at this time, this is just food for thought.

Hix:

04-02-2007 19:15:38 UTC

Oh, no, not again.

snowballinhell7001:

04-02-2007 20:25:26 UTC

Unfortunately for us, a proposal to clean up the proposals could only be passed once the proposals had been cleaned up. This proposal would be most helpful during the tumult of a new dynasty. We’d have to wait until next dynasty to see the effects. I do agree with Spike that we need to rein in the proposal backlog. We have fourteen active proposals, which is a lot of ground to cover, especially on a slow, moody connection like mine. I’ll introduce the proposal if Spike would like.

peacefulwarrior:

04-02-2007 20:38:21 UTC

I voted against Actors Need Representation, which was my own proposal, so does that mean it’s self-killed?  I also voted against Enough Already, which was also mine.  I’m sorry if they didn’t quite make sense, but hey, I’m new at making proposals.  (Although I did manage to get my wife to accept one.)

Excalabur:

04-02-2007 22:16:14 UTC

Another point for new players: it helps admin a lot if you write ‘CoV’ next to a changed vote, or ‘Self-Kill’ or ‘S-K’ next to a vote to kill your own proposal.

spikebrennan:

05-02-2007 02:02:01 UTC

Hix—to address your concern, my concept is that a self-killed proposal could only be adminned before coming to the top of the queue if there are some very large number of proposals in the queue—like eight or more, for example.  Since I do not propose any change to the maximum number of active proposals a single player can have, I don’t think that this concept would have the bad result that you are concerned about.

Clucky: he/him

05-02-2007 04:55:57 UTC

Didn’t we go through this last dynasty?

The rule is there to slow things down. Yesterday was crazy with all the proposals. If you could kill your rule and then get to make another one faster, that would be like… rewarding medicoracy. If others dislike your rule, or you make a mistake and so have to SK, you shouldn’t get to try again sooner. That makes no sense.