Thursday, August 11, 2016

Proposal: System of Trust

Fails 1-9, with only 3 players not voting against, quorum seven. -RaichuKFM

Adminned at 12 Aug 2016 01:55:56 UTC

If the Proposal “X Marks the Spot” doesn’t pass, this proposal does nothing

If there is a rule called “X Marks the Spot” add the following steps directly before “The Pirate repeals the rule”

* The pirate chooses a secret English word X.
* The pirate creates a new string Y by taking X, appending the name of the island which contains the Pirate’s Treasure to the end, and appending the name of the Landmark on that island to the end of that.
* The pirate constructs Z, the SHA-256 hash of Y (either by using this tool: http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator or an equivalent algorithm)
* The pirate appends “The code for the location of the Pirate’s Treasure is ‘Z’. Trying to determine the location from the code is against fair play” after “This is tracked privately by the Pirate.” in the rule “Landmarks” (where Z is the hash constructed above)

If there is no rule called “X Marks the Spot” add a new rule called “Back to the X” and give it the following text

At their earliest convenience, the Pirate should Complete the Map, if they have not already done so. Upon doing so, they must take the following steps in order

* The pirate chooses a secret English word X.
* The pirate creates a new string Y by taking X, appending the name of the island which contains the Pirate’s Treasure to the end, and appending the name of the Landmark on that island to the end of that.
* The pirate constructs Z, the SHA-256 hash of Y (either by using this tool: http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator or an equivalent algorithm)
* The pirate appends “The code for the location of the Pirate’s Treasure is ‘Z’. Trying to determine the location from the code is against fair play” after “This is tracked privately by the Pirate.” in the rule “Landmarks” (where Z is the hash constructed above)
* The Pirate repeals this rule.

The idea being Raichu can share X after the dynasty. It would be nearly impossible for them to change the location of the treasure and find a new X that generates the same hash.

Comments

Clucky: he/him

11-08-2016 14:49:34 UTC

explicit author imperial . I trust Raichu to play fair, but some concerns were raised in Kevan’s post and I don’t think this really causes any harm

qwertyu63:

11-08-2016 15:15:22 UTC

imperial At the Pirate’s discretion.

RaichuKFM: she/her

11-08-2016 15:58:42 UTC

for Upon verifying that I can use that tool, sure.

No harm in it that I can see.

RaichuKFM: she/her

11-08-2016 16:00:12 UTC

(Clarification: I mean I just did verify that I can use the tool, so.)

Kevan: he/him

11-08-2016 16:01:09 UTC

imperial

Aname:

11-08-2016 16:40:37 UTC

imperial

Larrytheturtle:

11-08-2016 16:43:40 UTC

imperial I don’t think this is needed but I won’t object.

Aft3rwards:

11-08-2016 18:05:17 UTC

imperial

Bucky:

11-08-2016 19:26:53 UTC

against  because it tampers with ‘fair play’ in an unenforcable way and because it overloads ‘code’ in a probably broken way with respect to locations (the hash will likely contain at least one valid two-letter Code).

Kevan: he/him

11-08-2016 19:32:43 UTC

It’d certainly be better to have a hash salt stronger than “one dictionary word”, than to encourage fair play in not brute-forcing 25*7 possibilities for each dictionary word.

The Code overload isn’t great, but I don’t think it breaks anything - the location of the Pirate’s Treasure is defined as “one Landmark of one Island”, and Landmarks do not have Codes.

Kevan: he/him

11-08-2016 19:35:19 UTC

against CoV because I’d rather the Pirate’s Treasure at least exist and be secret, for the time being, than be held back because its location is brute-forceable.

Bucky:

11-08-2016 19:38:24 UTC

I don’t feel like dealing with a ban CfJ because someone felt that “Trying to determine the location from the code is against fair play” applies to the treasure’s island’s Code.

Aname:

11-08-2016 20:57:21 UTC

against CoV, nothing against the idea in principle but the number of possible salts is too low.

Sci_Guy12:

11-08-2016 22:40:21 UTC

imperial

Matt:

11-08-2016 22:59:38 UTC

for

Bucky:

12-08-2016 00:17:05 UTC

If this passes, there’s a good chance I brute-force it despite the ineffective “fair play” clause and just don’t tell anyone.

Aft3rwards:

12-08-2016 00:23:16 UTC

against per all above

RaichuKFM: she/her

12-08-2016 00:48:04 UTC

against Well, if it’s something brute forceable,

Then I trust me better than I do the set of all Hunters who might play in this Dynasty, really.