BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

Is the penalty really needed?

I was wondering the same thing.

I’m also struggling with the need for punitive measures. Is there precedent for that sort of thing? I haven’t been around for even a full year, so maybe there’s been call for that in the past. I just need some context.

He added the penalty because I was asked multiple times within the last few days to request to be removed from the list but ignored them.

I’d hesitate to call it punative. We’re here because Raven added themselves to the list illegally and then, per their own comment, refused to take the necessary action to remedy the situation. The prohibition isn’t about punishing them - realistically the process for them to become a mentor is the same as it was before, persuade a quorum of people to change the gamestate on their behlf on the basis that they can be trusted to act as a good safeguard of the ruleset and gamestate. Pending that, however, it’s worth just adding a layer of protection in to ensure that this exact situation can’t happen again.

As written, isn’t the process normally to just persuade a single admin that you can perform the role? Rather than persuading a quorum.

The reason I bring it up is because I’m so unsure of what to vote on this one. On one hand, it’s not great to become tenured from an illegal game position, but on the other, with such a low barrier for entry, it would be plausible for pretty much anyone to become a mentor.

I’d think either the bar needs to be raised, or a different process needs to come in than a one-off blacklist.

I’m probably going to vote for either way, but I was mainly wondering if there is a better or more elegant safeguard that could be put into place instead of specifically targeting a single player. In addition, I’m unsure if this ‘banned list’ will actually have an effect if eventually raven re-earns our trust. Assuming that they attempt to legally be added to the list next time, then if they have earned our trust then the banned list will have no effect as their name will be able to be taken off of it concurrently with their becoming tenured.

Ah, fair point, I thought you had to be an admin to be a mentor.

[Josh] You did propose admins-only a couple of years ago, but I talked you down to admin-approved-only.

If we’re at the point of having to alert new Emperors to the fact that one specific player probably wouldn’t make a useful Mentor despite their stated wish to become one (if that Discord discussion hadn’t happened, JonathanDark would have been forgiven for taking the Tenured list at face value and just assigning Raven1207 straight off), this should go into the rule.

I unidle, quorum rises to 7.