Tuesday, November 28, 2023

Proposal: That Was Then, This Is Now

Enacted popular, 7-0. Josh

Adminned at 29 Nov 2023 21:25:34 UTC

In Claims, replace “An Heir who meets the conditions for a Claim is considered to have that claim.”
with

An Heir who meets the conditions for a Claim is considered to have gained that claim until such a time as they no longer meet those conditions.

If the Proposal “A Stain Upon Your Honour” failed, the rest of this proposal does nothing. Otherwise:

In Reputation, replace “Whenever an Heir begins meeting the conditions of a claim as a direct result of one of the steps of an Act of Subterfuge atomic action that they performed, or when they lose a Claim, they lose 4 reputation.” with

Whenever an Heir gains a claim as a direct result of one of the steps of an Act of Subterfuge atomic action that they performed, they lose 4 reputation.
Whenever an Heir loses a claim, they lose 4 reputation.

This should hopefully fix my previous proposal by calling out that you can actually lose claims.

posted by SingularByte at 28 Nov 2023 18:36:00 UTC Comments (10)

Comments

JonathanDark: he/him

29-11-2023 00:26:57 UTC

for

4st:

29-11-2023 06:05:59 UTC

imperial I think this makes sense and works out. Deferring to the old king.

Desertfrog:

29-11-2023 07:21:13 UTC

for

Kevan: City he/him

29-11-2023 08:39:04 UTC

for

Josh: he/they

29-11-2023 09:41:16 UTC

for

Vovix: he/him

29-11-2023 11:12:56 UTC

for

Desertfrog:

29-11-2023 11:23:36 UTC

Actually, doesn’t this just move the problem to “having a Claim” not being defined?

SingularByte: he/him

29-11-2023 12:49:45 UTC

How so? If you gain a claim, and haven’t lost it, then you have the claim.

Desertfrog:

29-11-2023 13:34:31 UTC

That’s definitely right; I was just wondering how the concept of gaining implies having if the concept of having didn’t imply gaining/losing. Seems a bit paradoxical, perhaps

SingularByte: he/him

29-11-2023 14:13:52 UTC

The best way I can think to put it is that the current rules can be read as it awarding you the claim if you meet the conditions. You definitely gain it, that part works no matter which way we word it, but it’s debatable whether no longer meeting the conditions will cause you to have the reward revoked in the current wording.

One reading says that it will since you no longer meet the conditions so you no longer have it.

The other way of reading it is that you keep it for having previously met the conditions, irrespective of your current status.