Wednesday, May 24, 2017

Call for Judgment: The cold gets everywhere - but how “everywhere”, exactly?

Timed out 2-3. Failed by card.

Adminned at 26 May 2017 15:06:55 UTC

- PREMISE -

So we have the surprising situation where the Dynastic Rules header itself seems to have Temperature. This could be counter-intuitive for some (definitely was for me, initially), and I believe that it should have Temperature (although I could be wrong, this CfJ is mostly to settle a consensus on this issue).

- EVIDENCE -

I present the following as evidence for that the Dynastic Rules header should have Temperature:

• The Temperature rule itself:

All Dynastic Rules have a Temperature. Temperature is a value in Blognomickian Temperature Units, which is an integer (which can be negative) and can be employed as XXX BTU, where XXX is the temperature value in Blognomickian Temperature Units.
The default Temperature for any entity that has Temperature is -500 BTU.
A Temperature of -1000 BTU or lower is Extremely Cold. A Temperature of -500 BTU or lower is Very Cold.
If the Temperature of any Rule is different than the default, that Temperature must be tracked in the Rule’s title as a string which is “(XXX BTU)” which is located at the end of the Rule’s name, where XXX is that Rule’s Temperature. For example: “Eiffel Tower (-232 BTU)”

• § Appendix, Keywords, Rule:

Each individually numbered section of the ruleset is a rule, including sections that are sub-rules of other rules.

• § Core Rules, Ruleset and Gamestate:

This is the Ruleset for BlogNomic; all Explorers shall obey it. Section One consists of the “core rules” of BlogNomic, covering basic proposal mechanics; Section Two contains the rules of the current dynasty; and Section Three contains the appendix, which exists solely to clarify the remainder of the ruleset.

• From what is quoted above, from “Section Two contains the rules of the current dynasty”, that Section itself is a numbered Section (numbered with a Two), so by § Appendix, Keywords, Rule, that section is a Rule. It is said that “All Dynastic Rules have a Temperature”, and I believe that it can be fairly clearly inferred to mean “All Rules of Dynastic nature”. Section Two is a Rule, and I believe that it is one of (prominently, although not unambiguously) Dynastic nature (simply because it contains and only contains rules that I believe we can agree on to be “Dynastic Rules”, despite the existence of Section 2 itself being interdynastic).

- EFFECT -

On the grounds of improvement of everyone’s gameplay (in pretty much equal measure) via increased clarity, this CfJ, if passed, will make Section 2 of the Ruleset be a legal holder of Temperature, if it wasn’t already. All other Rules which aren’t Section 2 nor any of it sub-rules are hereby illegal holders of Temperature. (“Holders” as in entities which “have” Temperature, as per the wording that “All Dynastic Rules have a Temperature”)

Better get this birdy shot before it causes any trouble. Also kudos to card for pointing it out initially.

Also supa fancy CfJ because it looks cool and swanky.

Comments

Sphinx:

24-05-2017 14:48:36 UTC

I guess this is ambiguous because the Dynastic Rules section is never actually defined, it is just there. I’d say, however, that the Dynastic Rules section is not itself part of the Dynastic Rules. That is to say, Dynastic Rules are by definition things *within* the Dynastic Rules section, not the section itself.

Madrid:

24-05-2017 14:58:44 UTC

The adjective “Dynastic” in our context is pretty much made-up slang lingo jargon argot potato so it’s going to be pretty ambiguous.

I’m bandwagoning on card’s interpretation to get this solved sooner because I really don’t mind it being one or the other.

Madrid:

24-05-2017 15:01:42 UTC

(but I want to get this solved, rule clarity is my main concern, I don’t mind/care what the avatars that the words are referring to, but I very much want to have clarity via knowing unambiguously what they’re referring to)

Madrid:

24-05-2017 15:02:35 UTC

what the avatars that the words are are referring to*

double “are” there, rip me.

pokes:

24-05-2017 15:10:59 UTC

What? This sounds crazy. The Dynastic Rules header tells the reader where the Dynastic Rules are: beneath that header. As such, “Dynastic Rule” isn’t jargon, it’s a phrase right there in 20 pt font, delineating what is beneath it.

The problem IMO is in “Each individually numbered section of the ruleset is a rule”. This has pointed out that that’s wrong, since the individually-numbered section 2 isn’t a rule.

Madrid:

24-05-2017 15:38:21 UTC

Yeah. By definition it’s a rule in itself, as weird as that may be.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

24-05-2017 19:43:09 UTC

against

Th header does not actually exist in the ruleset.

Sphinx:

24-05-2017 19:48:46 UTC

I think the header exists, but Dynastic Rules are everything underneath, not the header itself.
against

pokes:

24-05-2017 21:30:22 UTC

against In enacting “camp” I removed the temperature from the header since all of the rules lost their temperature anyway while moving into Base Camp.

card:

24-05-2017 21:42:46 UTC

[pokes, PSS] since it’s individually numbered, see the table of contents “Dynastic Rules” is rule #2, it counts as a rule. You could make a proposal that states something like “Add to Dynastic Rules” and you’d add the rule text before rule 2.1
for

pokes:

24-05-2017 21:44:13 UTC

A rule, maybe (and if so, maybe the right fix is making it not a rule), but I don’t think it’s a “Dynastic” rule.

Sphinx:

24-05-2017 23:17:35 UTC

However, I don’t think repealing all Dynastic rules at ascension would include the Dynastic Rules Header.

Otherwise there wouldn’t even be a Dynastic Rules section to which Dynastic Rules could be added either.

A formal clarification is probably still a good idea.

Sphinx:

24-05-2017 23:22:06 UTC

Section two contains the Dynastic Rules. The Question is whether the container contains itself.

I believe it doesn’t.

However, if I were to say “remove section x”, I’d expect the section heading to be removed also.

So the Dynastic Rules header is part of the Dynastic Rules section, but not inside the Dynastic Rules section.