Wednesday, September 11, 2024

Proposal: The Gravity of the Situation

Reached quorum, 4-0. Enacted by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 13 Sep 2024 14:36:27 UTC

In the rule “The Game Board”, replace the paragraph that begins with the text “These dice rolls may be made in advance” with the following text:

These dice rolls may be made in advance when trying to filling multiple empty at the same time, using the first roll to fill the first slot that needs to be filled. (So, for example, if Row 1 Col 1, Row 2 Col 1, and Row 3 Col 1 are all empty, three FRUIT rolls may be made at the same time, using the result of the first roll to fill Row 3 Col 1, the second to fill Row 2 Col 1 and the third to fill Row 1 Col 1)

I realized after the ordering text was enacted that it would cause the topmost Cell to be filled, only to have that Cell’s contents “fall” all the way to the bottommost empty row in that column. This change fills from the bottommost empty row up to minimize the extra steps needed.

Clucky convinced me that the existing rules on which Cells can be filled first will guarantee order of how the FRUIT roll results are used. This Proposal is now restoring the original wording.

Comments

Clucky: Puzzle Master he/him

11-09-2024 16:19:34 UTC

This is still broken.

Didn’t see you had made your late edit on the other proposal or else I would’ve called it out there

But you’re only allowed to fill a cell if every cell with a lower column is empty.

We should keep the original wording don’t even understand what the motivation for the change was.

JonathanDark: he/him

11-09-2024 16:29:25 UTC

The motivation is this: if you generate the FRUITs ahead of time, and you are not constrained in the order in which you fill in the empty Cells, you can simply fill those Cells in the order which will get you the most Matches right away.

Maybe that’s intentional, but I didn’t think it was. I felt like filling in Cells with random Content should not also be a strategic move.

Clucky: Puzzle Master he/him

11-09-2024 16:36:05 UTC

Right that is covered by

- If there is an empty cell (cell A) such that every cell with a lower column is not empty, every cell above it is empty, and every cell below it is not empty, Fill Cell A.

the “These dice rolls may be made in advance when trying to filling multiple empty at the same time” was there because under that ruling there is always only one cell you can fill, which would make filling a bunch of cells annoying.

JonathanDark: he/him

11-09-2024 16:48:41 UTC

Right, but when you “Fill Cell A”, which of the dice rolls you made in advance are you allowed to use? e.g. if you rolled 3 FRUITs, I don’t see any restriction on which of those 3 you may use to “Fill Cell A”.

Clucky: Puzzle Master he/him

11-09-2024 16:52:56 UTC

I felt like the “So, for example, if Row 1 Col 1, Row 2 Col 1, and Row 3 Col 1 are all empty, three FRUIT rolls may be made at the same time, using the result of the first to fill Row 3 Col 1, the second to fill Row 2 Col 1 and the third to fill Row 1 Col 1” covered that—but I also feel like that was just a clarification, and saying “they can be made in advance” doesn’t change that the first FRUIT roll fills the first fillable spot

Your ordering by descending by row first, which means everything with lowest row gets filled first; and then within a row you fill the lowest column first

JonathanDark: he/him

11-09-2024 16:55:45 UTC

Ok, I see what you mean. I’ll change this Proposal to revert back to the original wording.

Clucky: Puzzle Master he/him

11-09-2024 17:15:23 UTC

might not hurt to include something like “using the first roll to fill the first slot that needs to be filled” just so we get that clarity

JonathanDark: he/him

11-09-2024 17:48:08 UTC

Done

Lukas:

11-09-2024 19:53:54 UTC

for

Desertfrog:

12-09-2024 14:10:42 UTC

“using the first roll to fill the first slot that needs to be filled” still doesn’t say anything about the order of rolls after the first

Clucky: Puzzle Master he/him

12-09-2024 15:19:49 UTC

for

Clucky: Puzzle Master he/him

12-09-2024 15:20:00 UTC

(should’ve cleared the queue before unidling ben oops)

JonathanDark: he/him

12-09-2024 17:10:47 UTC

It’s fine. The queue would have gotten stuck at Opt In To Play, so you wouldn’t have gotten far anyway.

Darknight: he/him

13-09-2024 05:30:01 UTC

for