Friday, August 05, 2016

Proposal: The long way

Self-killed. -RaichuKFM

Adminned at 06 Aug 2016 15:19:20 UTC

Replace the contents of this wiki page detailing the history of the Fourth Dynasty of scshunt with the contents of this page at the linked revision, then append “{{Dynastic Histories}}” to the end, in a new paragraph.

Something or other probably makes Dynastic History wiki pages gamestate if the Speaker rule doesn’t, so I may as well be safe about this. We don’t need a twelfth CfJ.

I was lucky enough to roll a Dynasty I knew pretty well. Not perfect work (I only had time to cache up a few pages before I had to leave the library yesterday, so the actual writeup was done without the benefit of reading comments and while offline) but not barebones hah-I-technically-fulfill-all-the-conditions, either.

Comments

Clucky: he/him

05-08-2016 17:00:44 UTC

against cause it would let you win

Clucky: he/him

05-08-2016 17:02:54 UTC

Also, whoever admins this proposal could replace your talk page with “Potato” before passing it. (as your talk page wouldn’t become gamestate upon this proposal passing). This would create a scenario where whoever admins the proposal can decide if you win or not, which not good gameplay.

Bucky:

05-08-2016 17:14:03 UTC

against in favor of the general purpose fix.

RaichuKFM: she/her

05-08-2016 17:16:19 UTC

It’s a revision of my Talk Page, for exactly that reason. Go ahead and replace it with Potato, then click the link; it will work fine.

Also, your against vote disappoints me; Bucky’s doesn’t, I guess.

Clucky: he/him

05-08-2016 17:32:38 UTC

It disappoints you that I’d be against someone making an “I win” proposal???

RaichuKFM: she/her

05-08-2016 17:36:45 UTC

It’s not an “I win” proposal. It’s a “I’m supposed to do this, and then, because I did what I was supposed to, I win” proposal.

Voting against this for that reason just seems… silly.

Clucky: he/him

05-08-2016 17:44:23 UTC

If your supposed do be able to do something and you can’t, make a proposal that gives you the ability to do that thing, don’t make a proposal that says you did that thing.

Clucky: he/him

05-08-2016 17:48:26 UTC

in unrelated matters, doesn’t “Archived Rulesets from previous dynasties cannot be modified except by CfJ, and Scribes shall not attempt to modify them. This does not prohibit archiving the current Ruleset at the end of a dynasty.” prevent this proposal from actually doing anything?

Clucky: he/him

05-08-2016 17:49:38 UTC

wait its not the ruleset nevermind

RaichuKFM: she/her

05-08-2016 17:50:07 UTC

It’s not an archived Ruleset, it’s a Dynastic History page.

RaichuKFM: she/her

05-08-2016 17:53:54 UTC

As for your other point, I see no reason why Proposals should be deemed an unacceptable way to do that thing I’m supposed to be able to do.

Does anyone actually have a criticism with the listed Dynastic history?

Clucky: he/him

05-08-2016 18:00:52 UTC

no. but if its reasonable and part of playing nomic for someone to propose a scam that lets them win, its also reasonable and part of playing nomic for someone to vote against a proposal that lets someone else win.

Larrytheturtle:

05-08-2016 18:25:14 UTC

for

Larrytheturtle:

05-08-2016 18:25:57 UTC

I’ve enjoyed this dynasty but I’m ready for it to be over and I don’t see me winning so no use to prolong things.

Bucky:

05-08-2016 18:33:28 UTC

It’s likely going to be over within a week regardless.

Bucky:

05-08-2016 18:40:03 UTC

(Barring Overtime, that is)

Bucky:

05-08-2016 19:20:12 UTC

Also worth noting is that I had a writeup for dynasty 88 prepared before RaichuKFM posted this proposal, but opted to take the time to propose a proper fix rather than hack together a ‘my edit counts but yours does not’ proposal.

GenericPerson:

06-08-2016 02:23:39 UTC

I liked the concept for this dynasty but I guess we weren’t able to grab enough rules for it to turn out as best it could have. Generally agree with Raichu’s thought about the Dynasty in the other proposal to fix the speaker problem. imperial

Clucky: he/him

06-08-2016 03:52:27 UTC

note that this doesn’t do much of note anymore. Vote is currently 2-2. Still don’t think this should’ve been done with a proposal, but I’ll switch to FOR if it looks like the proposal is breaking that way to help it pass (or Raichu can SK and get to work on the history for 109 and just use bucky’s generic fix)

RaichuKFM: she/her

06-08-2016 15:18:08 UTC

Oh shoot. I genuinely did not see that coming, nice play.

against