Tuesday, May 02, 2023

Proposal: The Manatee Has Become The Mento

Timed out and enacted, 5-4. Josh

Corrected to failed, since amendments to the Appendix require a quorum, which was 7 at the time. Updated by Kevan.

Adminned at 04 May 2023 18:17:45 UTC

In the rule Things that a mentor should do, under the Mentors rules of the Appendix, change

The mentor and mentee may work together to achieve victory. If a mentor achieves victory with support of their mentee then they should, if the mentee wishes it, pass the baton to the mentee.

to

The mentor and mentee may work together to achieve victory, but, should the mentee wish it, the mentor should strive to ensure that the mentee achieves Victory rather than themselves. If a mentor achieves victory with support of their mentee then they should, if the mentee wishes it and it is legally possible, pass the mantle to the mentee.

I do not intend this change to impact Kevan and Summai in this dynasty, which should hopefully play out before this resolves. The fact that it’s all “should” clauses should be adequately protective.

Comments

Titanic:

02-05-2023 09:47:32 UTC

AUTHORISE

JonathanDark: he/him

02-05-2023 13:09:20 UTC

I don’t think it would impact Kevan and Summai anyway, unless there was a CfJ, since Mantle Limitations is on.

Josh: Observer he/they

02-05-2023 13:15:24 UTC

It would have an implication about Kevan getting victory share at all when Summai and he have worked together. Keen to ensure that that is excluded.

redtara: they/them

02-05-2023 14:29:52 UTC

for

Brendan: he/him

02-05-2023 16:44:44 UTC

for This is more or less how I’ve played out the current dynasty anyway.

JonathanDark: he/him

02-05-2023 18:57:03 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

02-05-2023 19:42:01 UTC

Active players make the best Mentors, as they can explain and advise on the dynastic gameplay. Saying that the Mentor should be expected to stand down on their personal gameplay if asked to is a big deal, particularly mid to late game. I think I’d be reluctant to take on a new student under this wording.

against

Josh: Observer he/they

02-05-2023 19:55:05 UTC

@Kevan You do not have to rope your mentee into your cabal. You can mentor them and play your own separate game. All this clause does is prevent a mentor from using their mentee as a sockpuppet.

Kevan: he/him

02-05-2023 21:00:45 UTC

If that’s the only intention is it not already covered by “The mentor should not sock-puppet, bully, coerce or otherwise manipulate the mentee into performing any game actions.”?

Taiga: he/him

02-05-2023 21:53:45 UTC

I am especially concerned that this Proposal does not have the [Appendix] tag applied.

Taiga: he/him

02-05-2023 21:54:30 UTC

But if that was fixed, then sure for

Josh: Observer he/they

02-05-2023 21:58:29 UTC

@Taiga It doesn’t need it; check the bullets at the bottom of the rule Tags.

Lulu: she/her

03-05-2023 00:57:12 UTC

against

summai:

03-05-2023 18:39:28 UTC

against I could have tried to do the scam on my own if I wanted to, so it wouldn’t have any implication on this dynasty either way. If there’s a general reason for why this rule should be implemented, I might change my vote on hearing the said reason.

Bucky:

03-05-2023 23:21:08 UTC

against