Wednesday, May 03, 2023

Proposal: The Tr4th Lies in the Biddle

Vetoed. Josh

Adminned at 04 May 2023 12:11:28 UTC

To the rule “The Chopping Block”, add:-

Each Engineer holds a number of Permits, tracked in this rule.

If nobody has already done so during the current dynasty, any Engineer or the City Architect may perform a Final Topple by randomly selecting a Permit from all those held by Engineers. Upon doing so, the Engineer who holds the selected Permit achieves victory.

The Engineer named Brendan holds 216 permits.
The Engineer named Habanero holds 208 permits.
The Engineer named jjm3x3 holds 194 permits.
The Engineer named JonathanDark holds 158 permits.
The Engineer named Josh holds 427 permits.
The Engineer named Kevan holds 218 permits.
The Engineer named redtara holds 107 permits.
The Engineer named Summai holds 122 permits.
The Engineer named Taiga holds 193 permits.
The Engineer named Titanic holds 22 permits.

If any Engineer’s EVC on this proposal includes the word “pass”, remove the sentence with that Engineer’s name from “The Chopping Block”.

How did I arrive at these values? I took the number of stone as a baseline, added the square roots of focus and expertise (to normalise them a bit, subtracting in the case of jjm3x3’s expertise), knocked off 50 for JonathanDark’s accident, and gave 100 to anyone with a non-zero value for safety checks. Then I gave Josh 200 extra permits.

Comments

Josh: Observer he/they

03-05-2023 12:34:12 UTC

So that’s:

Brendan 12%
Habanero 11%
jjm3x3 10%
JonathanDark 8%
Josh 23%
Kevan 12%
redtara 6%
Summai 7%
Taiga 10%
Titanic 1%

Anyway this is an obvious no for me for a variety of reasons, but the methodology is a pretty high offender: stone is a resource that having less of signifies better peformance, and focus is meaningless in terms of merit as it resets every Building.

Just doing it on Expertise as a pure merit split is interesting:

Brendan 12%
Habanero 0%
jjm3x3 0%
JonathanDark 1%
Josh 63%
Kevan 17%
redtara 0%
Summai 8%
Taiga 8%
Titanic 0%

Lulu: she/her

03-05-2023 12:57:23 UTC

Shouldn’t jjm3x3 have -84% then? :P

Josh: Observer he/they

03-05-2023 13:05:23 UTC

I set them to 0 as if they’re included in the total then I should have 114% win equity which I don’t think would play well :D

redtara: they/them

03-05-2023 13:07:19 UTC

I can tweak the methodology if you like, Josh, but you see the principal here.

redtara: they/them

03-05-2023 13:11:24 UTC

changing 0+stone to 100-stone and discounting focus yields:

Brendan 9.211495947
Habanero 8.400884304
jjm 9.43257185
jonathandark 5.084745763
josh 24.76050111
kevan 9.285187915
redtara 1.105379514
summai 14.73839352
taiga 10.61164333
titanic 7.369196758

So maybe the 1% figure for me was right all along…

redtara: they/them

03-05-2023 13:14:01 UTC

*principle. Blame it on ‘equity’, a horrible finance word.

Josh: Observer he/they

03-05-2023 13:17:09 UTC

I do see the principle… I think the most honest reflection of the principle is just expertise totals, as that was the only resource that was plugged to a victory criteria.

Josh: Observer he/they

03-05-2023 13:18:12 UTC

Equity is not a finance term! I mean, I guess it’s used in finance, but…

redtara: they/them

03-05-2023 16:54:02 UTC

“Making proposals trying to resolve this situation” is also explicity tied to victory conditions, and is arguably more nomicky and meritorious than anything else. In fact, by that metric, I’m twice as meritorious as anyone else. One might say I’m being very generous with these numbers!

jjm3x3: he/him

03-05-2023 19:11:27 UTC

First of all absolute hilarity at -84% it was hard earned! Second I totally get basing portions based on Expertise as that was the only thing originally linked to victory conditons, but as was pointed out, now that we are determining a chop which is arguably even more nomic, it feels bad to me to not get anything after playing and participating the whole dynasty. I am not asking for much just a lil consolation prize. In a way I suppose this ask reflects my take on Kevan’s call out that handing out victory based on attendance would set a bad precident, but I totally disagree. Obviously we don’t want the whole thing to be random winners all the time, but simply showing up is part of the game. Life and games frequently have some amount of chance baked in. Pretending we can build a perfectly meritcraic process feels like a fools errand as well as cultivating an environment that isn’t totally welcoming.

Brendan: he/him

03-05-2023 19:54:35 UTC

for

Josh: Observer he/they

03-05-2023 20:05:18 UTC

against

Lulu: she/her

03-05-2023 20:08:13 UTC

imperial

Lulu: she/her

03-05-2023 21:01:38 UTC

against COV

Bucky:

03-05-2023 23:11:21 UTC

against

Habanero:

03-05-2023 23:48:37 UTC

against

Benbot: he/him

03-05-2023 23:56:36 UTC

against

Lulu: she/her

04-05-2023 00:44:50 UTC

veto This was a mistake.