Sunday, June 20, 2021

Proposal: The Undying [Core] [Special Case] [Appendix]

Enacted popular, 8-0. Josh

Adminned at 22 Jun 2021 14:57:22 UTC

In “Idle Vampire Lords”, replace “excluding Rules” with “excluding the core and appendix Rules”.

In “Seasonal Downtime”, replace “defined by the rules” with “defined by the core rules”.

This probably happens more than we realise: we have both a core and a dynastic rule called “Vampire Lords”, which means that the dynastic one (and its subrules?) are all exempt from the restrictions on idle players. I don’t think it actually breaks anything, it just means idle players aren’t quite as inert as we thought they were, right now.


Clucky: he/him

20-06-2021 18:30:06 UTC

This will still break if we call the term “Players” again, as the Synonym Swap following such a dynasty will rename “Players”

Maybe just add a clause that makes it clear that only the core rule called “Vampire Lords” is excluded?

Kevan: he/him

20-06-2021 18:54:42 UTC

I’d included “except in references to the names of rules” to protect the wording of Idling/Downtime, on the grounds that that would also happen when we rename Vampire Lords, since “Players” is a synonym for them and would also be replaced.

That doesn’t cover the actual names of rules though, so I’ve changed it to “except in the names of rules, and references to the names of those rules”. Thanks.

Josh: he/him

20-06-2021 19:00:36 UTC

Kevan: he/him

20-06-2021 19:20:17 UTC

I don’t think it hits any of the concerns raised there, does it? It seemed an obvious short title, and easier than trying to legislate never calling a dynastic rule “[the thing that players are called this dynasty]”, because we call them that a lot.

It could have an opening line of something like “During this dynasty of the game, players are known as Vampire Lords”, with some cellophane to stop that seventh word from being replaced, but I think it reads okay without.

Clucky: he/him

20-06-2021 19:48:16 UTC

I still don’t get why this can’t just be solved by going

Rules “Ruleset and Gamestate”, the core rule “Vampire Lords”, “Dynasties”, “Fair Play”, “Mentors”

Kevan: he/him

20-06-2021 20:29:10 UTC

Oh, got it, you mean in the Idling and Synonyms rules, I thought you meant synonym swapping. Yes, that would cover it. Proposal updated to just say that all the rules referred to are core/appendix.

Clucky: he/him

21-06-2021 02:22:45 UTC



21-06-2021 02:39:58 UTC

for Note that the existence of this bug means that idle Vampire Lords have publicly tracked statistics at the moment. I’ve added them to the wiki tracker, and we should remove them again when this passes.

Jason: he/him

21-06-2021 04:09:01 UTC


Raven1207: he/him

21-06-2021 04:17:05 UTC


Josh: he/him

21-06-2021 08:00:47 UTC


Brendan: he/him

21-06-2021 19:41:37 UTC


Chiiika: she/her

22-06-2021 10:18:11 UTC