This is rather disadvantageous to me.

Yeah, well, sorry.  I can’t think of a thematically-appropriate way for a Dead Guest to achieve victory.

Everyone dies everyone wins? : )

Oh, and with that ruleset, all of us could just start posting DoVs of ‘I won!’ ‘I won!’ ‘I won!’, one of them is surely the winner…

The library part… seems rather pointless, except for tug wars of the Aristocrat type, for example.

It should also include a ‘is non-dormant or asleep’ part after those 96 hours… let’s leave some space for still-living murderers and/or detectives to rampage ; )

oh, forgot the

  I’m against giving restrictions on declaring victory. On achieving victory, sure; but what if a dead guest is voted to win by a proposal?

I think the proposal isnt that well formulated. It would be much easier to read, if there were a “The Guest in question is not Dormant and the lights are on” at the beginning. But thats not important though.

Also i assume its bad to do not have a part like “If a Guest declares victory once, he is not allowed to do declare his vicotry again (for the next ... days). I could simply try to declare my victory, after this proposal has been enacted. (2), (3) and (6) are easy to satisfy and if i were lucky, (1) would be true, too.

If every guest would do so, one of them would reach victory - fail. So

But mabye ive missunterstand the rule?

This seems really imbalanced in favour of Murderers and Detectives, who have much easier objectives than the rest of us.

The Detectives’ win condition also encourages all other Guests to kill/restrain them as well as the Murderers to stop them from winning, which would be absurd.

per Uvthenfuv

It’s “take one” because I figured that this was going to provoke discussion and controversy.

My thinking:

Victory by Murderers: the thematic concept here is pretty straightforward—the Murderers’ motivation to commit murder is to ruthlessly claim Lord Cartlesham’s entire estate without getting caught.  But the Murderer who thinks that he has murdered his way to victory ought to announce that he believes that he has done so, so that if he turns out to be wrong, the Detectives and other guests can take appropriate action.

Victory by Detectives: likewise, the thematic concept here is pretty straightforward—the goal of the Detectives ought to be to ensure that all of the Murderers are Arrested or killed, without the Detective having wrongfully arrested or killed anyone.  But again, the Detective who thinks that he has accomplished this ought to announce that he believes that he has done so, so that if he’s wrong, he has painted a target on himself for the Murderers.

Victory by others:  I expected some controversy here.  There ought to be some thematic way to work this into the victory condition.  I figured that making “relation to Lord Cartlesham” relevant to the victory condition would be fun since it would give more meaning to the Roles whose special power has to do with determining one’s degree of relation, and since it motivates people to try to influence the behavior of the Murderers.  The 96-hour clock is intended so that someone who tries to achieve victory by means of this part is painting a target on himself, so he would first have to take some sort of measures to ensure his own protection during the 96-hour period.  The library part is just thematic- the Ascension Address said that the reading of the will would take place in the library, so I figured that a mini-game could arise based on trying to stay in/keep someone out of the Library. 

To Uvthenfuv’s last point about “is non-dormant or asleep”; the proposal is drafted such that all of the conditions have to be met concurrently—in other words, you have to be non-dormant at the end of the 96-hour period when the Executor posts the confirmatory blog post—that’s part of the point of the 96-hour period: during that period, presumably anyone who is trying to deny you victory (and who suspects that you might be eligible to achieve victory) will try to murder you or otherwise render you dormant and therefore ineligible.

On the requirement to not be dead: it just seemed thematically obvious.  Your mileage may vary.

Purplebeard says: “The Detectives’ win condition also encourages all other Guests to kill/restrain them as well as the Murderers to stop them from winning, which would be absurd.”

If you like, imagine that a victory by a Detective means that the assets of Lord Cartlesham’s estate will be frozen, which is not in the interest of a potential heir.

Though to be fair, some of the issues with these victory conditions are a logical extension of the set-up for the whole dynasty.

I don’t see any other logical way of victory. I know it’s not that balance, but I can’t figure out how we should get over it the way the game has gone, unless by just ignore a lot a rules already implant.

I think it will be a for me.

I’m in favor of a revision, though

I believe it to be a good start, but some revision and such could not hurt.

just asking for “revision” is not helpful—what kinds of revision are you thinking of?