Monday, October 19, 2009

Proposal: [Theft] from Tabletown: The game bogs down, therefore I win

With 11 AGAINST, cannot be enacted without a CoV.  -2 to spikebrennan.  -Bucky

Adminned at 20 Oct 2009 19:59:39 UTC

Add a dynastic rule entitled: “Tabletown Mutable 13” as follows:

If the rules are changed so that further play is impossible, or if the legality of a move cannot be determined with finality, or if by the Leader (or Acting Leader’s) best reasoning, not overruled, a move appears equally legal and illegal, then the first Player unable to complete a turn is the winnermay declare Victory.  This rule takes precedence over every other rule determining the winner.

 

“move”, “play” and “turn” are not currently defined in our ruleset, as far as I can tell, nor is the concept of a Leader or Acting Leader being “overruled”.

Comments

Kevan:

10-19-2009 15:12:38 UTC

against This came up before - “completing a turn” is still undefined, and common English usage would just give us “any player may declare Victory”, which doesn’t seem very fair or interesting.

(Don’t forget that the Theft rule now allows players to “include proposed amendments to other rules, if the stolen rule would contradict or interact unclearly with those rules”.)

Josh:

10-19-2009 15:23:04 UTC

Also, “or if the legality of a move cannot be determined with finality” - we have those situations quite frequently, and the CfJ-mechanism that we have is somewhat preferable to a DoV-free-for-all.  against

Excalabur:

10-19-2009 15:35:36 UTC

against

Bucky:

10-19-2009 16:38:58 UTC

You may already declare victory, but that doesn’t mean you’ve achieved it.  against

Klisz:

10-19-2009 17:05:16 UTC

against

Oze:

10-19-2009 18:16:16 UTC

against

Wooble:

10-19-2009 19:26:16 UTC

against

arthexis:

10-19-2009 19:32:57 UTC

against

Ienpw III:

10-19-2009 20:08:33 UTC

against

Qwazukee:

10-19-2009 20:57:13 UTC

against , but I disagree with the point Bucky is making. For everyone’s sanity, such usages of “may declare victory” should be enough for “a DoV based on this should pass.”

Darknight:

10-20-2009 01:29:16 UTC

against