Wednesday, April 19, 2017

Story Post: Third Player Auction: Emil Schneider

Name: Emil Schneider
Level: 9
Favorite Fruit: Cherry
Country: Pays-Loups Nord
Bio: Nothing too special. Won a Bloggsball championship in university but hasn’t played much since.

Comments

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-19-2017 00:49:59 UTC

I bid $1.

arthexis:

04-19-2017 02:10:05 UTC

I bid $10000

card:

04-19-2017 05:23:05 UTC

I bid £10001

arthexis:

04-19-2017 05:30:22 UTC

I bid £10002

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-19-2017 10:08:49 UTC

I bid $10020

arthexis:

04-19-2017 15:25:12 UTC

I bid $10030

orkboi:

04-19-2017 18:18:39 UTC

I bid $1040, a season appropriate number for those of us in the US.

orkboi:

04-19-2017 18:19:13 UTC

I bid $10040, which is actually higher than the previous bid. *doh*

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-20-2017 00:10:57 UTC

I bid $10041.

card:

04-20-2017 15:24:02 UTC

I bid $30,000

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-20-2017 16:01:53 UTC

I bid $30,001.

Cuddlebeam:

04-20-2017 16:55:45 UTC

I bid $30,002.

arthexis:

04-20-2017 17:14:31 UTC

I bid $30,005

card:

04-20-2017 19:00:40 UTC

I bid $130,000

Cuddlebeam:

04-20-2017 19:20:23 UTC

I bid $230,000

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-20-2017 19:27:58 UTC

I see the scam Cuddlebeam is attempting. I bid $230001.

pokes:

04-20-2017 20:24:06 UTC

I also see it, and would like to note that per:

“If a set of valid values is not specified in their definition, game variables defined to hold numeric values can hold only non-negative integers. Any action that would set those values below zero is an illegal action unless explicitly otherwise stated in the ruleset.”

I believe it would currently be illegal for me to close an auction while the highest bidder can’t pay for it.

card:

04-20-2017 20:36:59 UTC

Really? Let’s try this then.
I bid $2,000,000

pokes:

04-20-2017 20:38:12 UTC

fffffff

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-20-2017 20:56:52 UTC

pokes: What if no one wants to match the bid of someone who bidded over. I also retract my bid of $230,001 given this new information.

derrick:

04-20-2017 21:06:12 UTC

are you allowed to retract bids?

That said, I don’t think that the commissioner must at any time close an auction. So we could potentially leave this one open forever. Or the last valid bid would work. Which is either card’s 130,000 or Publius’s 230,0001.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-20-2017 21:08:50 UTC

I believe given that I took the action agreeing to pay money until false pretenses, I have common law justification for retraction, but we could CFJ it. But, let’s just chalk this up to a practice run and move on.

pokes:

04-20-2017 21:20:19 UTC

I think the bid itself is legal, not false pretenses, and even valid; I just can’t close the auction. If Cuddlebeam’s bid were the highest and they took their starting cash, then I could close it on that valid-the-whole-time bid.

pokes:

04-20-2017 21:21:29 UTC

And as derrick noted, I don’t *have* to close the auction. So it’ll just sit open until someone with more than 2 mil wants it, or my new proposal passes.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-20-2017 21:23:00 UTC

If this closes and I am charged, I will probably CFJ for a refund.

Oracular rufio:

04-21-2017 01:09:29 UTC

Supposing someone did manage to get negative cash, I think the only consequence is that you can never set your starting cash and continue to have negative cash until such time as you pay it off.  I thought about this myself and then realized I wouldn’t be able to ever set a starting cash value or probably get out of debt.

card:

04-21-2017 06:30:25 UTC

I’m actually surprised that nobody has made a CfJ on this yet. I guess we all agree that we should have defined bidding a bit more at the start.

Cuddlebeam:

04-21-2017 06:43:34 UTC

If PSS retracts then I retract.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-21-2017 09:59:31 UTC

I bid $130,001.

card:

04-21-2017 18:12:48 UTC

You can’t retract a bid, it’s not in the rules. Make a proposal for retractions if you want.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

04-21-2017 20:33:14 UTC

card, do you think a CFJ to refund the money and destroy the player would pass?

card:

04-21-2017 21:25:00 UTC

You mean the Blogger? I’m not sure, but don’t make a CfJ to refund money you haven’t yet spent and expect it to pass due to quorum.

pokes:

04-22-2017 00:49:05 UTC

I bid $231,000.

pokes:

04-22-2017 11:45:23 UTC

It’s been 12 hours since the CfJ, and this auction is beginning to smell. It is now closed, and I employ Emil Schneider for $231,000.