Monday, October 18, 2021

Call for Judgment: This Campsite Is In Tents

Enacted popular, 7-0. Josh

Adminned at 19 Oct 2021 08:45:23 UTC

Remove the parenthetical statement after the text “If the game is in an Interregnum then the new Drone must either Pass the Mantle, by making a post naming another Citizen” in the rule Victory and Ascension.

Add a new Special Case rule immediately under Dynastic Distance, called “Malign Emperors [Rare]”; if the Drone’s EVC on this CfJ includes the phrase “Maximum Suppression Mode Activated”, add the [Active] tag to its title, otherwise, add the [Inactive] tag to its title. Give it the following text:

The Drone may be recipient of the Mantle, as if they were a Citizen, during an Interregnum, as per the rule Victory and Ascension. The Drone may not cast a vote of VETO on any Proposal whose effect is limited to the dynastic rules or gamestate; any such vote is disregarded for the purposes of proposal resolution.

Comments

TyGuy6:

18-10-2021 12:47:13 UTC

I don’t approve of the Drone’s currently suppressive stance, and will not support a CfJ that allows him to validate it.

redtara: they/them

18-10-2021 13:52:55 UTC

Yeah this should be inactive for the current dynasty.

Josh: he/they

18-10-2021 13:57:16 UTC

Only the Emperor gets to decide which special case rules they want on or off. I don’t think Kevan has done anything wrong; Kevan may make a decision for himself about what is and is not good for his dynasty and I respect him to make that decision for himself.

TyGuy6:

18-10-2021 14:15:36 UTC

You can edit a CfJ for 4 hours, right? Make the change you mentioned in Discord, that if the emperor declares himself malign, he should also forfeit VETO over anything dynastic. Then I’m much more willing to vote this in.

Josh: he/they

18-10-2021 14:17:19 UTC

Edit made.

redtara: they/them

18-10-2021 16:21:53 UTC

@Josh they must make this decision at the BEGINNING of the dynasty. They can’t change it midway through. Since the interpretation in question is “being allowed to receive the mantle justifies the emperor trying to win” the way to uphold the status quo, reflecting the emperor’s presumed original intention, is to have this rule inactive.

But with TyGuy6’s suggestion incorporated I think that’s a trivial issue so I won’t vote against this on that basis.

Brendan: he/him

18-10-2021 18:40:47 UTC

for

Raven1207: he/they

18-10-2021 19:05:56 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

18-10-2021 19:25:46 UTC

Removing the parenthetical statement doesn’t change the legality of passing the mantle to the Emperor, does it?

lemon: she/her

18-10-2021 20:35:03 UTC

for ^ i think kevan is right tho

Josh: he/they

18-10-2021 22:02:38 UTC

True; if this passes I’ll tighten the wording in a follow-up.

TyGuy6:

18-10-2021 22:09:08 UTC

for True, this doesn’t address the issue of passing the mantle. But as a first step, having Malign Emperorship to be delineated at the start of a dynasty could be seen to imply Benign Emperorship in other circumstances. Transparency is what I’m hoping for.

The question of how emperors use vetoes in normal circumstances is a complex and separate discussion.

Zack: he/him

18-10-2021 22:39:19 UTC

for I think this should be folded into Dynastic Distance but it’s a good band-aid.

Kevan: he/him

19-10-2021 08:24:23 UTC

for on the grounds that the wording will be fixed later.