Sunday, September 26, 2021

Proposal: This is just how we do things around here

Self-killed. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 28 Sep 2021 16:34:57 UTC

Within 72 hours of the passage of this proposal, everyone who voted in favour of it may increase or decrease their Floor by up to 3, as long as they made only one comment on the proposal. The author of this proposal may instead increase or decrease their Floor by up to 5.

Comments

redtara: they/them

26-09-2021 18:57:45 UTC

for Just in case.

Clucky: he/him

26-09-2021 19:06:17 UTC

against yeah no discussion is an important part of nomic and this limits discussion by punishing players who don’t vote for your stuff right away

Josh: Observer he/they

26-09-2021 19:08:04 UTC

Clever clever clever.

Sure,  for Why not.

Kevan: he/him

26-09-2021 19:16:36 UTC

This won’t do anything: “If the Admin enacting a Proposal reaches a step which cannot be applied immediately (e.g. “two days after this Proposal enacts, Citizen A gains 1 point”), that step is ignored for the purposes of enactment.”

Otherwise you could make an effect like this “within a year” and “may achieve victory”.

Clucky: he/him

26-09-2021 19:24:31 UTC

Hrm. I feel like we’ve done stuff like this before.

Also its interesting that step only applies to proposals.

Does this mean that if I somehow pass a CfJ saying “Clucky may achieve victory” then five years later I can be like “I’m finally exercising this”?

Kevan: he/him

26-09-2021 19:41:53 UTC

I don’t think we have, I think people just tried to do it a lot until we eventually wrote the rule to spare us having the discussion every time. It really falls down on enactment being about the admin being explicitly asked to “update the gamestate and ruleset” - an untracked floating pseudo-rule like this is neither.

And huh, we really do say “proposal” when we mean “proposal or CfJ (or other mechanism that could plausibly create rules)” a lot in the Appendix. We should sweep that up some time.

redtara: they/them

26-09-2021 19:48:04 UTC

Ah I missed that. I think back when I was playing regularly this wasn’t a thing.

s/k against

Josh: Observer he/they

26-09-2021 20:26:29 UTC

@Kevan Please don’t, I have an incredible scam waiting for when the prohibition on core rule scams finally ends

redtara: they/them

26-09-2021 20:34:12 UTC

I just realised that the proposal to ban core rule scams passed… 2-1. Hardly a resounding community decision.

Snisbo: she/they

27-09-2021 04:34:30 UTC

What defines a core rules scam anyway? Or a scam in general?

Raven1207: he/they

27-09-2021 05:15:39 UTC

imperial

utina:

27-09-2021 06:01:29 UTC

imperial idk what to feel about this

Kevan: he/him

27-09-2021 09:20:22 UTC

[Supernova] It’s undefined: Fair Play is generally quite subjective and know-it-when-we-see-it (how “unexpected” does a software bug have to be, how can we tell if a DoV was “primarily” for a particular reason, what makes a delay “unreasonable”, etc).