Thursday, July 01, 2010

Proposal: Trimmed-Down and Simplified Quarantine

Times out and Fails 1-5. - lilomar

Adminned at 03 Jul 2010 07:26:47 UTC

Add the following sentence to the end of rule 1.1, “Ruleset and Gamestate”

The Quarantine Area, located [[Quarantine Area|here]] is Gamestate.

In rule 1.3, “Proposals”, change the text

Proposals can either be Pending, Enacted, or Failed.

to

Proposals can either be Pending, Enacted, Quarantined, or Failed.

In rule 1.4, “Voting”, change the text

Any @ may cast his Vote on a Votable Matter by making a comment to the official post that comprises that Votable Matter using a voting icon of FOR, AGAINST, DEFERENTIAL (only if the Votable Matter is a Proposal), or VETO (only if the Votable Matter is a Proposal and the @ is the RNG).

to

Any @ may cast his Vote on a Votable Matter by making a comment to the official post that comprises that Votable Matter using a voting icon of FOR, AGAINST, DEFERENTIAL (only if the Votable Matter is a Proposal), Quarantine (only if the Votable Matter is a Proposal), or VETO (only if the Votable Matter is a Proposal and the @ is the RNG).

Votes of either Quarantine or AGAINST are Failing Votes.


In rule 1.5, “Resolution of Proposals” change the text

The oldest pending Proposal may be failed by any Admin, if any of the following are true:-

* It has enough AGAINST Votes that it could not be Enacted without one of those Votes being changed.
* It has been open for voting for at least 48 hours and half or fewer of its Votes are FOR.
* It has been open for voting for at least 48 hours and has fewer than 2 valid Votes.
* The @ who proposed it has Voted AGAINST it.
* The RNG has Voted to VETO it

to

The oldest pending Proposal may be Quarantined by any Admin (And moved to the Quarantine Page), if any of the following are true:-

* It has been open for voting for at least 48 hours, it has not been self-killed or vetoed, half or fewer of its Votes are FOR, and over half of its Failing votes are Quarantine.


The oldest pending Proposal may be Failed by any Admin, if any of the following are true:-

* It has enough AGAINST Votes that it could not be Enacted or Quarantined without one of those Votes being changed.
* It has been open for voting for at least 48 hours, half or fewer of its Votes are FOR, and at least half of its Failing Votes are AGAINST.
* It has been open for voting for at least 48 hours and has fewer than 2 valid Votes.
* The @ who proposed it has Voted AGAINST it.
* The RNG has Voted to VETO it.

Add the following paragraph to the end of rule 1.5, “Resolution of Proposals”

Quarantined proposals are moved to their own section of the Quarantine Area. They do not have any other effect on the Gamestate.

In rule 3.1, “Keywords” change the definition of “Voting Icons” from

For use in voting, a check box for.gif shall represent a Vote FOR, an X against.gif shall represent a Vote AGAINST, an IMP imperial.gif shall represent a Vote of DEFERENTIAL, and an Imperial Seal (currently seal.gif) shall represent the Imperial Veto.

to

For use in voting, a check box for.gif shall represent a Vote FOR, an X against.gif shall represent a Vote AGAINST, a DEF imperial.gif shall represent a Vote of DEFERENTIAL, a quarantine symbol qtine.gif shall represent a Vote of Quarantine, and an imperial seal seal.gif shall represent a Vote of VETO.

Create a new wiki page entitled Quarantine Area, blank it.

Make the image that was located at http://blognomic.com/wiki/images/d/d2/Qtine.gif as of the time of posting of this proposal a new Voting Icon, rename it to qtine.gif.

Ok, so I think all of the rules that need to be updated are here and no more. Adding a new vote type actually requires changing quite a few rules, as the types of votes are listed in a lot of places.

Quarantining a proposal does nothing right now, except save it on a wikipage. I would like to see something along the lines of re-posting a quarentined proposal not counting against an @s limits, but am restraining myself from implementing that in this proposal. Once the framework is in place, we can actually do something with the quarentined props.

If anyone has a better icon for :QTINE: feel free to propose it. I just needed a placeholder and this seems to do well. My other idea was a biohazard symbol.

I did change the wording of the Voting Icons definition to be more consistent while I was adding qtine anyway.

posted by lilomar at 01 Jul 2010 14:12:46 UTC Comments (13)

Comments

Freezerbird:

01-07-2010 17:14:13 UTC

I’m still not sure I can see what the benefit will be. How can you quantify how many changes are allowed to be made to a quarantined proposal in order to be able to re-propose it for free? I’m thinking that if a proposal is worth passing, the original author will wait for a new slot or someone else will re-propose it according to the current rules.

Not convinced enough to vote no yet though…

lilomar:

01-07-2010 17:37:08 UTC

Freezerbird, I am not sure yet how to do so. I also toyed with the idea of having the proposal be auto-removed from the page if it hadn’t been amended, or auto-re-proposed if it had, etc.

As this is proposed, the only difference between failing and quarantining a proposal is that when it is quarantined, it is saved in the gamestate, to be used…somehow, as yet undefined.

The benefit is, that if there are ideas on how to do something with quarantined proposals (which there have been plenty of since this was first suggested), it can be proposed in a simple proposal that doesn’t have to perform all of these changes to the core rules. The framework is in place, so the meat is all that the next guy will have to work out.

Darknight: he/him

01-07-2010 17:47:01 UTC

against

Bucky:

01-07-2010 19:04:20 UTC

@lilomar: Why can’t you do that to a failed proposal in the first place?

lilomar:

01-07-2010 19:08:29 UTC

Bucky: which part, specifically? I’m not sure I understand what you are asking.

Bucky:

01-07-2010 20:24:15 UTC

“As this is proposed, the only difference between failing and quarantining a proposal is that when it is quarantined, it is saved in the gamestate, to be used…somehow, as yet undefined.”

Failed proposals are still gamestate, and can be used by future proposals.

lilomar:

01-07-2010 20:27:22 UTC

But cannot be edited by proposal. Well, can be, technically, I guess, but that really isn’t the proper place to do so.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that this won’t make it possible to do anything that was impossible before, but it will make it easier.

ais523:

01-07-2010 21:07:54 UTC

against What about this: we upload the quarantine icon (and hide it from the interface but leave it usable, same way ARROW works atm), people can use it along with their AGAINST votes as an EVC (not in the rules, just as an agreed-upon custom), and if a proposal gets quarantined a lot, we move it to a wiki page which has no official rules significance but is linked from the wiki main page? There’s no reason this needs to be in the rules, we can just do it “by hand”.

lilomar:

02-07-2010 00:39:19 UTC

ais: I like codifying things, instead of just doing things by custom (And I like having the qtined props be gamestate, with all the restrictions that implies). But that would be legal, afaik, and a good compromise.

Bucky:

03-07-2010 02:00:05 UTC

against

Freezerbird:

03-07-2010 06:16:47 UTC

against

dbdougla:

03-07-2010 11:28:54 UTC

against

lilomar:

03-07-2010 14:26:17 UTC

If someone would like to upload the symbol, per ais above, that would be great. I’m not going to for obvious conflict-of-interest reasons.