Sunday, August 07, 2011

Call for Judgment: Twixt Cup and Lip

Timed out 0 votes to 5. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 11 Aug 2011 05:23:08 UTC

In the comments on the Too Many Cups Fweep, Coppro argues that “Only one Gladiator may hold The ClingBoom Cup at any time” means “For each instance of The ClingBoom Cup, only one Gladiator may hold it” rather than “Only one Gladiator may hold an instance of The ClingBoom Cup at any time”. Hello Kitty described this interpretation as “ludicrous” and said they’d CfJ it, but they haven’t yet, so here’s a CfJ.

If this CfJ is enacted, then in the Rule “Victory and Glory”, replace “Only one Gladiator may hold The ClingBoom Cup at any time, and only one instance of CUP may be present in the Arena at any time.” with:-

If more than one instance of The ClingBoom Cup is held by a Gladiator, and one of those instances was not held by a Gladiator immediately prior to this circumstance arising, that instance is removed from play. If more than one instance of the CUP exists in the Arena, all instances of the CUP are removed from the Arena.

Note that this doesn’t address the issue of whether Coppro was permitted to unidle (if only one Cup can exist in the game, then unidling whilst holding a Cup would put the game into an illegal state), which possibly needs a separate CfJ.

Comments

redtara: they/them

07-08-2011 21:34:27 UTC

against This doesn’t really solve the problem; it’s more of a rules patch. The actual issue in the past remains unaffected by this CFJ.

Secondly, I think this opens up potential scams (introducing new instances of the CUP). A better fix might be to remove all but the oldest instance of the CUP.

Kevan: he/him

07-08-2011 22:58:39 UTC

Fair point that I overlooked a “this was illegal” clause, but the patch makes it unambiguously illegal. Every rule change closes some scams and opens others, I was just going for the simplest wording for the CUP bit.

scshunt:

07-08-2011 23:06:30 UTC

That doesn’t quite work; “If more than one instance of The ClingBoom Cup is held by a Gladiator” reads to me as being equivalent to “If a Gladiator holds two or more instances of The ClingBoom Cup” which is obviously incorrect. against

scshunt:

07-08-2011 23:06:48 UTC

(and I’m not crazy enough to try to scam that too)

Doctor29:

08-08-2011 01:39:36 UTC

imperial

Ely:

09-08-2011 16:55:18 UTC

against

Josh: Observer he/they

11-08-2011 11:41:09 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

11-08-2011 11:48:04 UTC

It’s a bit ridiculous that CfJs are regularly timing out at 4 days. And a bit of a shame that the Announcer isn’t taking the time to vote on them.

Voting against to speed this up. against