Wednesday, February 05, 2025

Call for Judgment: Unambiguously legal DoVs

Unpopular, with 4 votes AGAINST. Josh

Adminned at 05 Feb 2025 22:17:37 UTC

If the Declaration of Victory posted by Raven1207 today was illegal to make, consider it to have been posted legally, and to have been open for voting since the time it was posted. If the post is currently illegal, it becomes pending and ceases to be illegal.

This does not cause dynastic actions performed since the Declaration of Victory was posted to become illegal if they were legal, nor does it cause them to become legal if they were illegal.

We really need clarity on whether or not a DoV exists, because so much of BlogNomic is impacted by it – yet, currently that depends on whether SingularByte’s scam worked or not.

If the DoV does happen to be illegal, it will hold up BlogNomic indefinitely until the situation is fixed by CFJ (because the dynasty won’t end, so a dynastic reset won’t happen, so the “players who aren’t Retired can’t declare victory” status will persist, meaning that no future DoV will be legal either). Thus, we need a CFJ for which everyone on any side of the argument will unambiguously agree that the DoV exists. Whatever your point of view, this fix should be at least neutral, and might be helpful.

Making the Hiatus retroactive would be dangerous because the ruleset might potentially be left in a trivially scammable state – this wording places us in either the “Raven wins” or “ais523 closes the loophole” outcome, without mandating one or the other.

posted by ais523 at 05 Feb 2025 21:55:00 UTC Comments (8)

Comments

Josh: he/they

05-02-2025 22:03:00 UTC

against

ais523:

05-02-2025 22:07:08 UTC

@Josh: how does this CFJ hurt in any way?

It is designed entirely to be neutral or beneficial regardless of your interpretation, and does not make any changes other than to cause players who disagree that Raven’s DoV is legal to subsequently agree that it is legal.

You seem to be voting against out of anger, rather than out of a desire to get us into a known gamestate.

Josh: he/they

05-02-2025 22:09:26 UTC

I am voting out of anger. And I might change it when I cool down. But at its heart I see that this adds no value, especially now that Come On has been enacted.

Brendan: he/him

05-02-2025 22:10:34 UTC

Acting out of passion before listening to other players certainly would be a bad look. Posting something like this an hour ago would have been a better one.

against as the enactment of the previous CfJ renders this superfluous.

Raven1207: Monarchple he/they

05-02-2025 22:11:14 UTC

against

Snisbo: she/they

05-02-2025 22:14:17 UTC

against Not because I disagree with what this is doing, but because it’s already been handled by come on

ais523:

05-02-2025 22:15:35 UTC

@Josh: Come On doesn’t work for that – it says “as long as Raven1207’s most recent Declaration of Victory is unresolved.” but if the DoV was illegal it is either automatically resolved or unresolvable. As such, the CFJ may have done nothing, and may have created a permanent Hiatus. We may need a third CFJ to fix that problem.

Brendan: he/him

05-02-2025 22:18:09 UTC

Count votes, ais. The DoV has passed the threshold for enactment and the case you’re making has not persuaded anyone to vote with you yet.