Tuesday, May 20, 2025

Proposal: Up to the Jury

In the rule “Reviews”, replace the following text:

There is a publicly tracked list of Reviews, defaulting to empty. A Review is a flavor text string of at most 500 characters, and Scores for Theme, Mechanics and Style (where each Score is a number ranging from 1 to 5), along with the name of the Drafter who created it and the name of a Drafter that it is meant for. As an Action, any Drafter may add a Review. Drafters are not allowed to create a second Review meant for a particular Drafter if they already have an existing Review meant for said Drafter, though they are allowed to replace any of their previous Reviews with another Review, so long as it is meant for the same Drafter. A Drafter may not create a Review meant for themself. A Review should include genuine feedback on the Plan of the Drafter it is meant for.

with this text:

There is a publicly tracked list of Reviews, defaulting to empty. A Review is a flavor text string of at most 500 characters, and Scores for Theme, Mechanics and Style (where each Score is a number ranging from 1 to 5), along with the name of the Drafter or Idle Drafter who created it and the name of a Drafter that it is meant for. As an Action, any Drafter or Idle Drafter may add a Review. Drafters and Idle Drafters are not allowed to create a second Review meant for a particular Drafter if they already have an existing Review meant for said Drafter, though they are allowed to replace any of their previous Reviews with another Review, so long as it is meant for the same Drafter. A Drafter may not create a Review meant for themself. A Review should include genuine feedback on the Plan of the Drafter it is meant for.

Due to the core idea of this dynasty being quite influential for the interest of anybody considering un-idling in the next dynasty, opening up reviews to idle players may be respectful to their opinions and interests! I think this could increase engagement in both this and the next dynasty.

Comments

JonathanDark: he/him

20-05-2025 19:11:23 UTC

My only concern is the reverse: a cabal of Idle Drafters pooling to boost or sink an active Drafter. I wonder if we could have some sort of opt-in where each Drafter can specify to exclude (or maybe include would be shorter) specific Idle Drafters from creating Reviews for their Draft.

ais523: Supervisor

20-05-2025 20:54:27 UTC

Well, if a pool of idle Drafters decides to boost an active Drafter, the boosted Drafter wouldn’t have a reason to exclude the reviews.

Perhaps there should be a delay before idle reviews influence scoring, so that if there’s an attempt to flood the reviews there will be time to pass a proposal or CFJ to cancel them out.


On another topic, I might need to discuss how Fair Play applies to my vote on this proposal, due to the “Bucky clause” which started at Agora but has been mentioned at BlogNomic a couple of times. The context is that Bucky attempted to participate in Agora without ever actually registering or becoming a player, and I responded to that by trying to create rules in Agora that allowed nonplayers to participate in as many contexts as possible where it wouldn’t break things, and/or modifying existing rules to remove restrictions to players when doing so would be sensible. Eventually Bucky took an idle dynastic action in BlogNomic via exploiting a loophole in the dynastic rules of the time, leading to some controversy, and the “Bucky clause” ended up getting invoked at BlogNomic even though it wasn’t actually part of the original definition (the story is at <a >Ghosts of Winters Past</a>).

Some time later, when cross-nomic agreements were being banned in Fair Play, the whole Bucky clause situation came up, apparently without people fully remembering the details. It’s unclear to me whether the Fair Play rule in question is meant to bar the Bucky clause from being triggered at BlogNomic, because it’s unclear whether it’s an actual agreement (and if so, who is involved – I don’t have an explicit agreement with Bucky to get anything in return for the rules changes, and don’t know whether or not Bucky has reacted any differently as a consequence).

It’s been many years since the Bucky clause was invoked at either Agora or BlogNomic, but if it’s still valid, it would force me to vote FOR unless there was something seriously wrong with the proposal (despite being primarily a self-imposed restriction, it has a lot of aesthetic value for me and I would be disappointed if I had to break it). If doing that is barred by Fair Play, it would leave a question as to what restrictions Fair Play would put on my vote.

DoomedIdeas: he/him

20-05-2025 21:57:23 UTC

Potentially, Idle Drafters could simply leave Feedback instead of Reviews, where Feedback does not have an included scoring mechanic?

DoomedIdeas: he/him

20-05-2025 21:58:00 UTC

Feedback being a placeholder name, of course. Suggested as a solution to the issue JonathanDark proposed.

ais523: Supervisor

20-05-2025 22:02:26 UTC

Sorry for the broken link in my previous comment – it should be https://blognomic.com/archive/ghosts_of_winters_past

JonathanDark: he/him

20-05-2025 22:43:27 UTC

I’d also be open to having Feedback, and maybe a mechanism for the active Drafters to vote on whether or not the Feedback should be included for any type of score.

against in favor of this idea

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