Saturday, June 10, 2006

Proposal: Victory scam

Passes 7-2, enacted by Angry Grasshopper. Seems hackish.

Adminned at 12 Jun 2006 16:35:04 UTC

On request from AG, I’m closing one of my “Reserve Scam” loopholes.  The other one is essentially unpluggable.  If you don’t see how this could be used to acheive victory, don’t worry about it, just take my word for it that it can.

Change the section of Law 1.7 “Calls for Judgement” that reads:

CfJs continue until they reach a quorum of FOR votes, a quorum of AGAINST votes, or if there is no hiatus going on, until four days have passed, and if there is a hiatus going on until two days have passed.

to:

Unfailed CfJs continue until they reach a quorum of FOR votes, a quorum of AGAINST votes, or if there is no hiatus going on, until four days have passed, and if there is a hiatus going on until two days have passed.

posted by Bucky at 10 Jun 2006 23:25:04 UTC Comments (15)

Comments

Rodney:

10-06-2006 23:51:04 UTC

for

Hix:

10-06-2006 23:55:17 UTC

against

Alcazar:

11-06-2006 00:44:56 UTC

for

Greth:

11-06-2006 01:10:43 UTC

I won’t vote till it gets explained.

Purplebeard:

11-06-2006 09:59:19 UTC

imperial

Angry Grasshopper:

11-06-2006 13:59:09 UTC

Yeah, would you please explain what the gist of the scam is?

Bucky:

11-06-2006 15:18:13 UTC

Hide an I-win CfJ as Failed without triggering the “it fails and does nothing” clause by some means.  Then, pass it 1-0 after 4 days have passed since nobody else knows about it.  I may explain fully after this passes.

Bucky:

11-06-2006 15:21:16 UTC

If this fails, I will demonstrate if and only if the Abbot asks me to.

Isolde:

11-06-2006 22:06:56 UTC

against
How can you hide a CfJ? That makes no sense based on my understanding of the rules, and even if it’s true, a better fix would be to ban hidden CfJs.

Greth:

12-06-2006 02:32:11 UTC

First, “Hiding”.  What does that even mean?

Secondly, if a CfJ is “unfailed” is is either “Passed” or “Pending”.  If it is pending, it has not reached quorum and 4/2 days have not yet elapsed.  If it has passed, then it has reached quorum of “For” or 4/2 days have passed with > 1/2 votes “For”.  Else, Failed.

I don’t get how this would help anything, basically.

Bucky:

12-06-2006 02:53:55 UTC

It would keep any Failed CfJ from becoming Passed by this Rule.

Angry Grasshopper:

12-06-2006 03:39:06 UTC

Are you using the line “A failed CFJ may have no further effect” someplace here? Otherwise I’m not sure what’s going on.

Excalabur:

12-06-2006 05:00:19 UTC

imperial

Thelonious:

12-06-2006 08:11:30 UTC

imperial

Angry Grasshopper:

12-06-2006 23:31:32 UTC

Seems like a hack.

for