Sunday, December 08, 2019

Proposal: Weary of waiting

Self-killed. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 08 Dec 2019 23:06:56 UTC

In the rule 2.3.2 (“Inactive Vanguards”), amend “The Vanguard last became the Vanguard no fewer than 36 hours ago” as follows:

The Vanguard last became the Vanguard no fewer than 36 hours ago or, alternatively, the Vanguard has made a comment, on the current Battle Post, beginning with “[Weary]” and stating that the Vanguard is (or remains) Weary and will not take a Battle Action in this turn

By making themselves Weary via asterisk, an Adventurer is allowed to place themselves outside the ordinary rotation of Adventurers without wasting 36 hours of gameplay. However, my reading of the rule is that they cannot expedite the process like that if they have already been chosen as Vanguard. Firstly, one cannot add the asterisk by one’s name more than once: if an Adventurer is chosen as a Weary Vanguard (in the absence of non-Recovering Adventurers), they have no other way to show their continued desire to not attack the Monster. Secondly, the “replace the Vanguard” mechanics are fused with the “find the Vanguard Weary (or Unconscious)” ones, and the 36-hour waiting period applies to all Vanguards without exception.


Kevan: HE/HIM

12-08-2019 18:49:44 UTC

Not sure I see the need for this, when we’re on the final battle with only one Human who isn’t Weary or Unconscious.

The Duke of Waltham: HE/HIM

12-08-2019 21:04:17 UTC

[Kevan] Ah, such fatalistic passivity before the end…

All right, I understand why there might be no mood to change the ruleset at this point. That still doesn’t mean that your latest “[Weary]” comment in the Battle Post is legal. If my reasoning above is correct, Weary status does make it less likely you’ll end up as Vanguard, but it doesn’t affect the 36-hour window in which you are allowed to take a Battle action undisturbed once you do become a Vanguard.

Without this proposal, you must wait until 09:32:28 UTC on 9 December for another Vanguard to be chosen.

Kevan: HE/HIM

12-08-2019 21:10:49 UTC

Hmm, afraid I’m not seeing it. I was invoking “Any Adventurer or the Priest may identify and replace a Weary or Unconscious Vanguard by taking the following Atomic Action”, as I am already a Weary Vanguard: I voluntarily wearied myself four days ago, meaning that “from that moment and until the end of the Battle then occurring, that Adventurer is considered to be Weary”.

The Duke of Waltham: HE/HIM

12-08-2019 21:39:05 UTC

If people think the rule is working as intended, I should be very happy about that; after all, it’s very much my own creature.

Upon looking at it again, though, I’m seeing structural problems. Ideally, the first line would mention only how one may be found Weary, the second paragraph wouldn’t exist, and the third would say that a Weary Adventurer or an Unconscious one (incorporating the second paragraph’s criterion there) could be replaced, etc. etc.

That first line can be pretty confusing when you focus on it. If the rule works, it’s in spite of it.


12-08-2019 22:12:27 UTC

imperial I will continue to (very fabulously) shrug until the end.

The Duke of Waltham: HE/HIM

12-08-2019 22:25:51 UTC

Actually, the solution I propose here is unwieldy; what I ought to rectify are the errors I identified in my subsequent comment. Ergo,  against