Tuesday, February 10, 2009

Call for Judgment: What is this dynasty about?

Failed by Kevan, with a quorum of against votes.

Adminned at 11 Feb 2009 06:51:31 UTC

The basis for this dynasty has been to “guess the theme”.  In order for us to actually participate in the actual dynasty (not the theme, but the guessing aspect) it requires that Arthexis provide for us answers to guesses, as well as clues and hints that are authentic.  there have been several incidents where the clues that arth has given have not been true, either through a mistake on his part or intentional misleading.  Legally speaking, this action is not against the rule, however this effectively means the dynasty is becoming unwinable.  Demonstrated by the fact that the response Arth had to one of the guesses was that he wouldn’t answer it “yet”.  Presumably this means that the guess contains information that could lead to the end of the dynasty and Arth does not want the dynasty to end prior to the final race.  Unfortunately the dynasty isn’t about the race, it’s about the guessing, and by not answering Arth has effectively made it impossible for the dynasty to end.  I therefor propose that we move on to the next dynasaty, rather than continuing indefinately in this one.

currently, as I am sure many of you are aware, I have a dynasty idea in the works that should be quite fun, and the support of many individuals within the game for said idea to take place, whether through support for my win, or an agreement to pass over the mantle should they win, therefor:

Should this CfJ pass, Amnistar has acheived victory.

Comments

Amnistar: he/him

10-02-2009 19:32:51 UTC

Explicit Author for

Amnistar: he/him

10-02-2009 19:35:07 UTC

Note: I’m open for alternative methods of allowing this dynasty to end effectively, but as it currently stands, I’m out of ideas for what those are.

Hix:

10-02-2009 19:36:29 UTC

Fine. for

Devenger:

10-02-2009 19:36:40 UTC

against in response to arth’s “out with a bang” strategy - also, CfJs to vote yourself in as a winner are ... rude.

Amnistar: he/him

10-02-2009 19:38:59 UTC

dev,

If you can come up with a way that would mean that we can actually effectively win the dynasty, aside from when Arth says we should win it, I’m all for it.  I was enjoying the competition asp[ect of it, but I don’t want the dnyasty to have to be prolongued until Arth says it’s over.

Wooble:

10-02-2009 19:41:48 UTC

for

Amnistar: he/him

10-02-2009 19:42:04 UTC

additionally, under the current rulings, if Arth doesn’t want a Staff Member to win, he simply doesn’t have to confirm their guess.

arthexis: he/him

10-02-2009 19:42:12 UTC

against Obviously. Furthermore, my comment on the guess was merely to see your reaction (not Amni’s specifically, but I knew someone might respond).

I would have expected someone to actually correct the rule, by setting up a timeframe by which I should respond instead of saying “One rule is flawed. I win” How is that different from what DC and Wak have attempted previously?

Amnistar: he/him

10-02-2009 19:44:24 UTC

It’s an issue of how to correct the rule.  We can’t very well force a time limit on you, you shall do it in ___ time…or else what?  The guess is refunded?  Okay so we can guess again and you can keep ignoring it.

There is no way to enforce your response to the guesses, you have complete control over the game, and are chosing to exercise that control to shape the game the way you want it, such as artificially prolonging it.

Kevan: he/him

10-02-2009 19:49:30 UTC

Posting “there are 5/6/7 words” also seems like an unhelpful delaying tactic. I’d appreciate a little more clarity from Arthexis as to why he’s doing this - it’s great to see a dynasty where the emperor is taking an active role and doing a lot to keep the game moving, but snubbing a clue proposal requested by the majority of players seems like a bad move.

People seem to be enjoying cracking the code, and this was a clever idea for a dynasty. Don’t make it one where you’re admonishing a majority of the player base for not having the right kind of fun.

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arthexis: he/him

10-02-2009 19:49:55 UTC

I shall not break the rules (the ruleset says I shall obey them). If there is a time limit, or other kind of limit I will follow it. If even with such a ruling in place, I break it, then feel free to CfJ whoever you want into power.

Hix:

10-02-2009 19:50:34 UTC

arthexis said: my comment on the guess was merely to see your reaction

Well, now you know.  And now we have your admission that you intentionally did it just to see how we would stop you.  No one’s brought it up in this post, so would you care to address the issue of how many words are in the theme?

Wooden Squid:

10-02-2009 19:52:00 UTC

against Lame. I too am bored with this dynasty, but this is not the way to end it.

arthexis: he/him

10-02-2009 19:52:13 UTC

@kevan: Per my calculations, this riddle should have already been solved and I don’t want to insult anybody’s intelligence by making it easier.

arthexis: he/him

10-02-2009 19:53:29 UTC

@hix: Thanks for asking (per the proposal). There are Five.

Amnistar: he/him

10-02-2009 19:53:51 UTC

So because we’re not doing it the right speed and you think we should already have the answer you’re not answering a guess and you’re not responding to a proposal?

Wooden: I feel the same way, I’m waiting for a suggestion of how to fix this.

Hix:

10-02-2009 19:56:24 UTC

arthexis said: If even with such a ruling in place, I break it, then feel free to CfJ whoever you want into power.

We feel free to CfJ someone into power even without an explicit violation of the rules.  We want the game to proceed in a certain way.  You won’t give it to us?  Certainly you have that right, to some extent.  But go too far, and this is how we get what we want.  It may not be the optimal solution, but for now, I prefer it to Status Quo.

arthexis: he/him

10-02-2009 19:58:27 UTC

@hix: Certainly, you’re free to do it anyway you like. After all, it’s all about democracy, not really about rules.

Devenger:

10-02-2009 19:59:21 UTC

Hix, surely you’re just submitting to someone ELSE’S way of defining the game, in their personal terms? This isn’t the way the game is played. You break the game with PROPOSALS, not CfJs unless there’s a vetoing spree occurring.

Amnistar: he/him

10-02-2009 20:05:34 UTC

arth,  go answer the guesses (if we have to make a rule about it then you’re just stalling for 48 hours) and then vote for or against rod’s proposal (if you want to let people decide just vote for, it’s going to pass without your interference) and then I will vote against this and hopefully everyone else wil lfollow suit.

Amnistar: he/him

10-02-2009 20:43:30 UTC

against Per above statement.

Wakukee:

10-02-2009 20:52:08 UTC

against

Klisz:

10-02-2009 21:42:35 UTC

for

Rodlen:

10-02-2009 21:49:26 UTC

Is this even legal?  Amni is in Jump.  Mars is known to be part of the theme.

“If the name of a Station that exists on the Solar Map appears on the Theme, Members of the Staff whose Station is not set to that Station may not achieve victory.”

Rodlen:

10-02-2009 21:50:15 UTC

Now, if this passes while Amni is still in Jump, everything gets fucked up and the dynasty turns into a fucked up mess.

Qwazukee:

10-02-2009 22:08:16 UTC

against Amnistar has not guessed the Theme.

Hix:

10-02-2009 22:22:54 UTC

Rodlen, CfJs are meant to ignore such restrictions.

Darknight: he/him

10-02-2009 22:41:49 UTC

against

Rodlen:

10-02-2009 22:45:30 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

10-02-2009 22:53:10 UTC

[Hix] More importantly, DoVs are meant to ignore such restrictions.

Sparrow:

11-02-2009 00:01:41 UTC

against

I’m happy to help Amnistar win this, but not this way.

Gnauga:

11-02-2009 00:50:56 UTC

for This is totally the way to end this.

Hix:

11-02-2009 05:48:45 UTC

against CoV to be in the majority.