Wednesday, September 09, 2020

Proposal: Wheely Wheely Timey

Self-killed. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 10 Sep 2020 08:02:33 UTC

Add a new rule to the ruleset, entitled The Second Age [Mandatory]:

If the Round Number is 8 then, as a Mandatory Action, an Islander must take the following Mandatory atomic action:

* Set the Round Number to 11
* Set the values of all tracked gamestate information for all Islands to their new-player default values
* Remove this rule from the ruleset


Brendan: HE/HIM

09-09-2020 22:00:22 UTC

I’m all for this, but I don’t think the number of the pronoun “its” agrees with that of “values” or that of “all Islands.”


09-09-2020 22:10:12 UTC

Yes, it’s a bit clumsily worded. I’m going to consider those to be typos and fix them.

Kevan: HE/HIM

09-09-2020 22:12:45 UTC

Wouldn’t we have to perform this every turn of every Round, under the instruction to “Carry out all Mandatory Actions in the order of their choosing”? Whether or not we’re in Round 8 yet, the rule still defining the thing there as being an action of the type “Mandatory”.


09-09-2020 22:17:20 UTC

Hm, interesting. I would argue no, as a rule that contains a mandatory action has to have the [Mandatory] tag but not vice versa, so a rule with the [Mandatory] tag doesn’t have to contain a mandatory action. The first sentence then ensures that the action is not mandatory until Round 8.

derrick: HE/HIM

09-09-2020 22:30:18 UTC

for I agree: the action is not mandatory until round 8. But it may be a good idea to require all mandatory actions to be in the same place.


09-09-2020 22:36:47 UTC


Raven1207: HE/HIM

09-09-2020 22:37:52 UTC


Kevan: HE/HIM

09-09-2020 22:58:18 UTC

The rule is literally saying “the following Mandatory atomic action”. That bunch of text is a Mandatory action.

If it’s Round 8 then it’s a Mandatory action and this rule compels us to take it; if it’s Round 1-7 then it’s a Mandatory action and this rule doesn’t compel us to take it (but another one does).

Brendan: HE/HIM

09-09-2020 23:17:55 UTC

I think I’m with Kevan on this—the use of “Mandatory” twice in successive clauses is a problem.  against


09-10-2020 03:27:41 UTC

i’m thinking Kevan is right on this. maybe if the action were worded in such a way that it only did something if the round counter is at 8?

Kevan: HE/HIM

09-10-2020 07:55:10 UTC



09-10-2020 07:55:45 UTC

against I’ll reword. I think there will be a few cases where we want something to become mandatory at a certain point so defining that language might be helpful. s/k