Friday, January 04, 2008

Proposal: Where’d That Fifth Ace Come From?

timed out, final vote 4-4—Yoda

Adminned at 06 Jan 2008 11:05:29 UTC

Add to the Gamestate Document “Poker Hands” the winning hand type “Five of a Kind” below Straight Flush and above Four of a Kind in the rankings of winning hands.

Add the following description to the Gamestate Document “Poker Hands”:

Five of a Kind: Five of a Kind is a poker hand such as 9♣ 9â™  9♦ 9♥ 9♥, which contains five cards of one rank. It ranks above a four of a kind and below a straight flush. Higher ranking five of a kinds defeat lower ranking ones. In community-card games (such as Texas Hold ‘em or games with wildcards) it is possible for two or more players to obtain the same five of a kind; in this instance, these players split the pot in accordance with the rules for splitting pots.

Comments

Yoda:

01-04-2008 18:56:25 UTC

against With two decks (one for the Player and one for the community cards) five of a kind ranks highest.

See http://www.pagat.com/vying/pokerprob.html

spikebrennan:

01-04-2008 19:20:07 UTC

against per Yoda.  But subject to that change, the concept is sound.

Night:

01-04-2008 19:25:26 UTC

I had made the decision to put five of a kind below straight flush based on a different website: http://www.homepoker.com/more_poker02.asp?ID=21

But, that one was based on one deck with wilds, not two decks.  I’d be happy to change this proposal if everyone prefers Yoda’s suggestion.

Kevan: HE/HIM

01-04-2008 19:51:25 UTC

imperial

Clucky: HE/HIM

01-04-2008 21:55:40 UTC

But this isn’t a pure two deck hand. Your hand is one deck and its hand is the other. Now I want to write a program that simulates a bunch of hands and sees which ones have the best chance…

aaronwinborn:

01-05-2008 01:24:08 UTC

for this makes as much sense as anything, unless clucky finds otherwise.

spikebrennan:

01-05-2008 02:41:59 UTC

It’s interesting.  Normal poker logic won’t quite apply due to our screwy deck rules.

Darknight: HE/HIM

01-05-2008 03:42:17 UTC

imperial

Night:

01-05-2008 08:21:12 UTC

Another solution if others prefer it is I could code into the GNDT a single shared deck of cards, if someone would tell me what language it’s written in.  That would solve the problems of cheating, multiple instances of the same cards, and save the dealer the trouble of dealing and checking for cheaters.  Just a thought, but I’d be happy to do that.

Chivalrybean:

01-05-2008 13:37:52 UTC

Yes, simply draw cards, if it can tell you publicly a code, then privately the cards, and then The Dealer can check the codes against deck, or something like that.

Might not need to be in the GNDT, if there was another way.

Night:

01-05-2008 14:08:09 UTC

Where there’s a will…


(...there’s a deed to the farm?)

Clucky: HE/HIM

01-05-2008 14:55:41 UTC

Assuming I wrote my script right, in the hole cards from one deck, community cards from another deck game, straight flushes are quite similar in commoness to five of a kind.

Five of a kind appears to be a little more rare.

The interesting thing is that the order of rarity of straights, flushes and full house appears to reverse, with a full house actually being the more common of the two.

Its pretty interesting. Someone else should write a sperate program to make sure I was doing it right =P

Amnistar:

01-05-2008 18:55:44 UTC

for It works.

Chivalrybean:

01-05-2008 23:43:37 UTC

for