Tuesday, June 02, 2020

Proposal: Whiteboard Eraser

Timed out 6 votes to 4. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 04 Jun 2020 11:36:22 UTC

Change the Global Effect of the Unearned Segment from “Replace each player’s Points with 2*sqrt(|their current Points|) rounded to the nearest integer and multiplied by -1 if their current Points is negative.” with:-

Halve all Players’ Points (rounding towards zero).

Replacing this elaborate equation with a simpler catchup mechanic where we can all instantly see the effect it would have, and decide how to behave around it. (That the current equation bumps a player on -1 down to -2, and on -2 to -3, seems like an unfriendly surprise.)

The more complicated and time-consuming we make Spinning the Wheel - and this Segment instantly says “if you aren’t 100% sure what two vertical lines around some words means, do not Spin the Wheel” - the longer we’ll have to wait for it to be spun each time.


Josh: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 10:42:57 UTC


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: HE/THEY

06-02-2020 10:49:23 UTC

I like the formula I chose and intended that effect; if it’s about phrasing, I’d be happy to resolve it, but if it’s simply disagreement about intended effects, I’ll respectfully disagree.  against

Kevan: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 11:40:06 UTC

I don’t think it can be fixed with phrasing alone. For the exact effect described, the only other option is one readable but elaborate paragraph that expresses that same equation. Which would be better for being understandable by non-mathematicians, but is still a lot to process: whether that’s the extra time required to apply it correctly 14 times on a Wheel Spin, or the extra cogntive load of glancing at the scores to plan your next move (“Clucky’s on 35 but Jumble’s on 37, which means that if the next spin is Unearned, then I need to score at least… um…”).

I’d rather try something else with a similar effect, if it means that the rule becomes simpler to write out and internalise. (And 62366 tiptop is maybe already doing the job.)


06-02-2020 11:43:59 UTC


Marco Sulla:

06-02-2020 12:15:16 UTC

“That the current equation bumps a player on -1 down to -2” It’s not true. The current equation acts on the module and then restore the sign.


derrick: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 13:13:11 UTC


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: HE/THEY

06-02-2020 13:30:33 UTC

[Marco Sulla] By my math, Kevan is correct about that because -1*2*sqrt(|-1|)=-2; whether you think that is a good thing or not is up to you.


06-02-2020 13:55:52 UTC


Kevan: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 14:02:03 UTC

It doesn’t bode well that at least one player didn’t understand the equation, and may have applied it incorrectly if Spinning the Wheel.

Josh: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 15:06:45 UTC

I guarantee that I would apply it incorrectly if I was spinning the wheel


06-02-2020 15:11:14 UTC


Clucky: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 15:12:41 UTC


Marco Sulla:

06-02-2020 15:12:48 UTC

Can I propose to exclude Josh from spinning? X-D


06-02-2020 21:24:05 UTC

for While the current equation is interesting, this is far simpler and has a similar effect.