Saturday, May 15, 2021

Proposal: Whodunnit

Self-killed. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 17 May 2021 09:27:29 UTC

Throughout the rest of this proposal, when enacting it replace “[Round]” with one more than the current round number.

Add a new subrule to “Submissions” called “Guess Submissions”

If the current round is [Round] or later, a Broker may submit a Guess Submission

A Guess Submission consists of one or more guesses. A guess is a pair of a title of one or more pieces of art from the gallery for the previous round, and the name of an Broker or Idle Broker and cannot be the Broker making the submission. Two guesses in the same Guess Submission may not use the same piece of art, if they do the guess submission is invalid. A Guess is Correct if the Broker or Idle Broker mentioned in the Guess submitted the piece of art mentioned in the Guess. A Guess Submission is Correct if it is Valid and every Guess made in it is Correct. The Scope of a Guess Submission is equal to the number of Guesses it contains.

Add the following steps to “Totaling Votes”, after the step “Include in the Round Post a summary of what each Brokers Round Score was, and who was 1st, 2nd and 3rd”

* For each Correct Guess Submission submitted in the previous round, increase the Kudos of the Broker or Idle Broker who made the Guess Submission by the Guess Submission’s Scope
* Include in the Round Post a summary of any Brokers who earned Kudos by the above step, and how many Kudos they earned.

Comments

lemon: she/her

15-05-2021 23:41:27 UTC

for

Snisbo: she/they

16-05-2021 04:19:59 UTC

So just to clarify, it’s as many pairs of art submissions and brokers as you like, and if you get them all correct, you get the same number of kudos as the number of guesses? WHy would you only make one guess submission and not split it into one submission for each guess maximizing the chances of getting a few points, if not all of them?

I think we’ll either need to incentivize guessing multiple times in the same submission (some kind of multiplier?), or limit the number of submissions, but I like the idea for

Clucky: he/him

16-05-2021 05:24:26 UTC

“Any submission of a given type for a given round overrides previous submissions of that type made by the same Broker that round” means you cannot guess multiple times in a round

lemon: she/her

16-05-2021 06:32:27 UTC

no clucky, what starbright is saying here is that:
- one guess submission can contain many Guesses
- one Guess is “a pair of a title of *one or more* pieces of art from the gallery for the previous round, and the name of an Broker or Idle Broker”
- u get points for each guess, not each guessed piece of art
- there’s no rule that u can’t have multiple Guesses naming the same broker in one guess submission
- so the “one or more” in the definition of Guesses is silly bc its always better to split your guesses up to the minimum, exactly one piece of art per guess

lemon: she/her

16-05-2021 06:35:33 UTC

or… nvm, starbright is saying something else that’s just very similar to that. i think the overlap between the terms “Guess” and “Guess Submission” is too confusing :‘u

Clucky: he/him

16-05-2021 07:36:07 UTC

Oh yeah, the “one or more pieces of art” part in the guess definition is just an editing mistake. Might need to kill this and repropose with the proper wording. But it’s late so leaving it up for now

Josh: Observer he/they

16-05-2021 08:32:40 UTC

against I don’t think we should be incentivising the breakdown of the obscurity of broker / art pairings. Being able to work out those parings also gives strategic advantages that are their own reward, so adding another reward on top of those is kind of a hat on a hat; on the other hand this mechanic could act as a hedge against a misfired strategic ballot but, look, honestly this whole angle of gameplay just feels a little tedious to me?

Raven1207: he/they

16-05-2021 08:40:37 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

16-05-2021 09:58:40 UTC

against Per Josh.

Clucky: he/him

16-05-2021 14:57:06 UTC

While there is currently strategic advantage in knowing who made what, there isn’t a ton of strategic advantage in keeping that information to yourself. In fact, there might be more strategic advantage in informing others so that they too can vote accordingly to avoid giving a leader more points.

This gives some more negatives to revealing which art you submitted, because you personally don’t gain anything from it but everyone else can make a guess with it.

Janet: she/her

16-05-2021 18:42:17 UTC

against per Josh

Clucky: he/him

17-05-2021 04:10:59 UTC

against “one or more pieces of art” needs to be fixed from the current form. Might try it again later because I still think at the core its a good idea