Saturday, October 22, 2011

Proposal: Yet Another Follow-Up To Factions

Failed by CfJ: Consensus Gamestate—Chronos Phaenon

Adminned at 23 Oct 2011 05:06:27 UTC

If the proposal “This time it is a Proposal” has failed, this proposal does nothing.
Create a new sub-rule of Leaders “Rank Hath Its Privilege” with the text:

The Leader of a Faction may VETO the proposals of their Faction’s members.
If a non-Leader player votes DEFERENTIAL, their vote will count the same as the vote of the Leader of the Faction they belong to when the matter is resolved. If a player votes DEFERENTIAL when their Faction has no Leader, their vote will count the same as the Critic’s Vote. If the game has no standing Critic, and their Faction has no Leader, their vote will count as an explicit Vote of abstention.
If a Leader of a Faction votes DEFERENTIAL, their vote will count the same as the Critic’s Vote. If the game has no standing Critic, their vote will count as an explicit Vote of abstention.
The Leader of a Faction may not achieve Victory.

If the term “Critic” in the ruleset is replaced by another term before this CfJ passes, use that term in place of “Critic” where it appears in the altered ruletext.

Comments

southpointingchariot:

22-10-2011 01:48:19 UTC

for
Gracias

Pavitra:

22-10-2011 02:11:30 UTC

for

redtara: they/them

22-10-2011 02:16:01 UTC

for

Darknight: he/him

22-10-2011 02:27:59 UTC

for

Bucky:

22-10-2011 02:32:35 UTC

for

scshunt:

22-10-2011 02:34:09 UTC

against vetoing and voting to veto are very different

Pavitra:

22-10-2011 02:35:48 UTC

coppro, where were you when we were protoing?

redtara: they/them

22-10-2011 02:48:22 UTC

Coppro: All this means is that the Leader could veto without using the veto icon.

RoV for

Amnistar: he/him

22-10-2011 03:14:20 UTC

“If a player votes DEFERENTIAL when their Faction has no Leader, their vote will count the same as the Critic’s Vote. If the game has no standing Critic, and their Faction has no Leader, their vote will count as an explicit Vote of abstention.”

Unneccessary.  Under the currently proposed rules there is no way for a faction not to have a leader.

“If the term “Critic” in the ruleset is replaced by another term before this CfJ passes, use that term in place of “Critic” where it appears in the altered ruletext.”

Not sure what this would do since this isn’t a CfJ.

southpointingchariot:

22-10-2011 03:31:23 UTC

The first… yeah, that wasn’t in my version.

The second is irrelevant, as the only chance of changing things comes before this. I’d say pass it and we’ll patch it.

Clucky: he/him

22-10-2011 03:58:16 UTC

against

I dislike how much it complicates DEF votes

If I vote DEF while kevan is my leader, he votes for, I switch amnistar being my leader and he voted Against my vote changes with no effect on the voting thread

Same with vetoing. You veto me, I swap factions, and suddenly the veto is illegal

Spitemaster:

22-10-2011 04:50:43 UTC

I agree with Clucky.  I can’t see it being any better if the DEF vote was related to the faction that the player is a part of at the time of voting, either.

against

Prince Anduril:

22-10-2011 08:21:24 UTC

against

Josh: Observer he/they

22-10-2011 10:27:41 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

22-10-2011 10:52:14 UTC

against Nice idea, but it’s going to be tiresome to tally all the votes by hand (and we’d have to keep checking all the time, to see whether a proposal could even pass or not).

flurie:

22-10-2011 15:48:56 UTC

against

I very much like the idea but not the complications.

Roujo: he/him

22-10-2011 17:52:08 UTC

against Per all of you guys

Ornithopter:

22-10-2011 18:40:28 UTC

against

Pavitra:

22-10-2011 18:43:12 UTC

against CoV. Blergh.

ChronosPhaenon:

22-10-2011 21:47:30 UTC

against

Ely:

22-10-2011 22:40:42 UTC

against