Thursday, September 28, 2006

Proposal: [Z/2Z]^5

Times out at 5-3. Enacted by Elias IX.

Adminned at 30 Sep 2006 18:30:43 UTC

Add a rule entitled “Where You Be At”

Each Vegetable has five dimensions, the sum of which represent a location on the farm. The dimensions are Moisture, Temperature, Brightness, Weirdness, and Comfortableness. Each dimension is tracked in the GNDT under a separate column. The values for each are the following:

 

Moisture
  • Wet
  • Dry
Temperature
  • Hot
  • Cool
Brightness
  • Light
  • Dark
Weirdness
  • Normal
  • Strange
Comfortableness
  • Luxurious
  • Painful


Each of the thirty-two combinations of these values denotes a unique Dimensional Location, or DL. Each DL is a coordinate in these five dimensions that represents a location on the farm, which can be specified as an ordered five-tuple, (Moisture, Temperature, Brightness, Weirdness, Comfortableness)

New Vegetables start with eir Moisture set to Dry, eir Temperature set to Hot, eir Brightness to Light, eir Weirdness set to Normal, and eir Comfortableness set to Luxurious, that is, (Dry, Hot, Light, Normal, Luxurious).

Each Vegetable may often change up to two of eir dimensions.
===Locations===

Special DLs are described in this subrule, with any effects in parentheses. The Top Banana may edit this subrule as e sees fit. All hail the Top Banana, supreme lord of the ruleset! Banana-ho-ho! Salute!

* (Dry, Hot, Light, Normal, Luxurious): The Garden (New Vegetables take this DL. This DL is also where Farmer Brown selects vegetables to be eaten.)
* (Dry, Cool, Dark, Normal, Luxurious): The Top Banana’s Chamber (If a Vegetable who is not the Top Banana has taken this DL, and the Top Banana notices this within the next 24 hours, the Top Banana may publicly humiliate the other Vegetable on the main page.)

Create GNDT colums of Moisture, Temperature, Brightness, Weirdness, and Comfortableness with their respective values. Set all Vegetables to (Dry, Hot, Light, Normal, Luxurious).


Change the subrule “The Tasty List” from

The Tasty List is an ordered list of all Vegetables with positive Tastiness. Each such Vegetable appears on the Tasty List a number of times equal to eir Tastiness, and the order of the Vegetables appearing on the Tasty List is the same as their GNDT order. For example, if Vegetables Q, L, M, and G appear in that order in the GNDT, with Tastiness values of 2, 0, 5, and 1 (respectively), then the Tasty List is “Q Q M M M M M G” Farmer Brown keeps the Tasty List attatched via magnets to his refrigerator at all times.

to

The Tasty List is an ordered list of all Vegetables with positive Tastiness that have eir DL set to the Garden. Each such Vegetable appears on the Tasty List a number of times equal to eir Tastiness, and the order of the Vegetables appearing on the Tasty List is the same as their GNDT order. For example, let Vegetables A, B, C, D, E, and F be in the GNDT and have Tastiness of 5, 2, 1, 0, 7, and 3 respectively. If Vegetables C and E are the only Vegetables not in the Garden, then the Tasty List is “A A A A A B B F F F” 

Farmer Brown keeps the Tasty List attatched via magnets to his refrigerator at all times.


My ideas: That special locations will soon allow special enhancements, or other effects, or fun games that Vegetables can play. While Vegetables are trying to get these Enhancements, it would be easier if Vegetables didn’t have to worry about being consumed, and maybe losing their Enhancements, so that’s why Vegetables can only be consumed in the Garden.

Comments

Cayvie:

09-28-2006 23:12:14 UTC

against i don’t like these coordinates equating to location.  i would vote for the first half of this proposal by itself; that is, everything before ==Locations==.

Angry Grasshopper:

09-28-2006 23:14:51 UTC

How can I vote against a proposal that has an algebraic structure in the title?

Cayvie:

09-28-2006 23:23:57 UTC

that’s WHY he did it, AG! steel yourself against his manipulative tactics!

Rodney:

09-28-2006 23:27:16 UTC

for

gazebo_dude:

09-29-2006 00:23:06 UTC

This could get twisted and hopelessly complicated… but as AG said… for

BTW, where’s the group structure? :P This appears to be just a bare set - we need addition! (I guess “Each Vegetable may often change up to two of eir dimensions.” corresponds to addition by the 10 element subset consisting of two ‘ones’ and three ‘zeros’. I’m rambling.)

Also, it should be legal to shorten the notation a bit, i.e., (DHLNL) instead of (Dry, Hot, Light, Normal, Luxurious).

Thelonious:

09-29-2006 08:22:06 UTC

against because of…

“The Top Banana may edit this subrule as e sees fit.”

Otherwise fine.

Thelonious:

09-29-2006 08:25:01 UTC

Just in case anybody else missed it, there’s no restriction that when the Top Banana “edits” the subrule, it follows the same lines that it does at the moment.

Fundamentally, this allows the Top Banana to do whatever e wants to the ruleset, whenever e wants.

Consider that, when I previously proposed that the incoming Top Banana at the start of a new dynasty should be able to completely rewrite the ruleset if e wished, there was an outcry and a unanimous against.  This proposal is even more powerful than that.  It allows the Top Banana to completely rewrite the ruleset whenever e likes - not just at the start of a dynsasty.

Angry Grasshopper:

09-29-2006 13:43:05 UTC

>Consider that, when I previously proposed that the incoming Top Banana at the start of a new dynasty should be able to completely rewrite the ruleset if e wished, there was an outcry and a unanimous against.

I was in favor of that, if I recall correctly. I love that sort of thing.

Thelonious:

09-29-2006 14:10:19 UTC

A.G. - Sorry for misrepresenting you.  I’ve just looked back at my feeler post “Clean Slate” to see that you were the only supporting voice.

Rodney, Kevan, Hix, Cosmologicon, Chronos Phaenon and Poe all indicated they’d vote against if I ever bothered to write up a full proposal.

So actually, it’s only Rodney who’s being inconsistent at the moment.  He said…

I strongly disagree. The point of having proposals at all is so that we are all playing the game that the players as a whole want to play, not just what a single player wants to play.

We would also be granting dictatorial power to each and every emperor.

Clucky:

09-29-2006 14:49:32 UTC

imperial

Rodney:

09-29-2006 17:19:41 UTC

against That’s because I didn’t see it. Thanks for pointing that out.

Hix:

09-29-2006 17:47:36 UTC

for I like this proposal, and I trust Elias will only edit the rule in ways that are reasonable and approprate to the “Locations” subrule.  Yes, the Top Banana would technically have dictatorial powers, but I bet most of us would revolt if we started seeing things like “All Vegetables are admins” or “All proposals are enacted after 24 hours unless vetoed” started showing up in a rule that’s supposed to be about locations.

(You’ll note back in the comments for “clean slate” that I’m not against granting dictatorship on a case-by-case basis—just automatically granting it to every Emperor.)

Angry Grasshopper:

09-29-2006 18:39:49 UTC

for