Actually the Slayer attachment seems legal for someone else to fix afterwards, as attaching is a passive-voice “The card is then removed from their hand and attached to the Community in that State.” - but all the play effects are “spend 1 Thaum to apply the Up Effect of the card”. The player spending it has to do the applying.

I’m most interested in hearing what 9spaceking has to say in explanation. There are several ways to handle this.

the rules say that you can score a card unless the card says otherwise, and that the up effect or down effect is optional, in other words, you can play it for no effect. The rules also say you only have to spend 1 Thaum for the up effect and not for the down effect, which I used for Slayer.

Interesting… I’m looking at the rules. I think there is a timing exploit, but its nuanced, and the timing described above is invalid.

Playing a card is an atomic action, which means you can’t interrupt it to take any other actions, such as scoring the card. But you could theoretically interrupt scoring or attaching a card to play, attach, or score it, because scoring and attaching are not atomic actions.

At any rate, an exploit like this should be explained when its taken, not taken without explanation.

again, Scoring doesn’t say “you cannot play this card once it is out of your hand”. Think about this in real life terms: Scoring’s only requirement is that I remove it from my hand. Once I remove it from my hand, and place it onto the table, what prevents me from using the effect?

I am assuming that I can score it, play/attach it, and only then will it be impossible for myself to use. None of the rules prohibit myself from doing this.

The thing that prevents you playing a card’s effect after removing it from your hand is that “A Wizard may [only] play a card which is in their hand”. A card you have removed from your hand is not in your hand.

(my mistake, I cannot play it once I remove it, but playing and then removing is another thing entirely)

alright, so maybe we could fix this by treating Slayer as if discarded for scoring and then the other cards played?

I kind of misunderstood the scoring VS playing part of the rules, haha… XP

Played with no effect? You didn’t make wiki updates for any of the optional Up/Down effect actions, during the atomic actions.

Given that everyone has been playing as if these cards had had no effect, it seems fairer to count them all as having been Scored, and nothing else.

Yea, I messed up that a bit, though I still could have played alliance + Mudling for the up effect.

You could have, but you didn’t. You had the opportunity to “optionally apply the Down Effect of the card”, but the Down Effect is “Discard a faction card and reduce the war rating of all communities with that faction by 1” and you did not reduce any war ratings.

Since it’s “discard and reduce” and you didn’t do both, you should have your Faction card back.