I don’t like the interdynastic aspect of this. It’s also very long, and I have the selfish preference to try out limiting mantle passing by having a win ranking alongside the win condition. We tried it once in the art dynasty, but that also had no collabs and wasn’t a test of it in a vacuum.

win ranking is hard to do all the time

interdynastic aspects help ensure that someone can’t just show up at the end and get the mantle despite not doing anything

I think I will pass this when this goes out of 4 hrs

*greentick

I’m not really a fan of the eligibility restrictions.

@Zack why not?

If a new player manages to win a dynasty, great that shows enough of an understanding of how the game works to feel comfortable letting them run a dynasty but I think in general otherwise I’d rather have them get a few dynasties under their belt

same goes for people who just joined the most recent dynasty. letting a person get a “win” a few days after they unidled because they rolled well doesn’t seem fair to the people who have been playing reguarlly

finally, letting multiple people have turns running dynasties is great. If you can win one on your own immediately after running one I’m cool with you running again. But if josh runs and I run and we have to pick someone else to run… I’d rather someone else get a turn than Josh (or anyone else in Josh’s position there I like Josh dynasties)

This doesn’t forbid the winner from posting an ascension address while the Mantle Offering is open.

[Bucky] Why is that a problem?

But I can’t see that it says anyone has to process the Offering before the mantle can be passed: the winner can make the required story post and immediately pass the mantle to whoever they like.

This does seem overcomplicated, for a rule which could just say “mantle can’t be passed”, with the group being left to CfJ-resolve the (rare) situations where someone wins but doesn’t want to be Emperor, through whatever means seem fair to them at the time.

Because the mantle always needs to be passable.

This provides a clean, fair way to pass it.

“the winner can make the required story post and immediately pass the mantle to whoever they like.”

I guess? But 24 hours later the offering would still trigger and replace the Eli Curf

We’ve definitely had one situation where the dynasty winner didn’t want to run (Giolitti). I know its happened to me a few times too. And seen it other times in the past. So while not common, its still common enough that I think we need clear rules in place to describe what to do, not just throw it to the wolves for a popularity contest.

The new Eli Curf could set the Anti-Pooling rule to inactive upon their ascension!

ah yeah. then that needs to be patched.

fortunately, plenty of time to patch it before it actually becomes a problem

Randomized passing is better than no passing, IMO.

CoV, mostly per Kevan

I think it’s good to have as an option, even though I’d prefer a more surgical solution that addresses the boring strategies directly rather than just banning all forms of mantlepass.

don’t feel like I’ve been part of the game long enough to have good judgement on this.

@trapdoorspyder I think getting newer players perspectives and input is actually really helpful in situations like this. A lot of us old timers can get stuck in our ways of doing this and used to certain stuff, and newer players can provide a fresh perspective on things

i like the idea of randomized mantle-passing, altho i feel unsatisfied w/ this implementation!

but “eligible” is a bit too commonly used to be a viable term in the long term imo.