Friday, October 22, 2021

Proposal: A Simple Ordinance Against Swimming

Timed out 5 votes to 7. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 24 Oct 2021 19:08:14 UTC

Add a new special case rule called “Anti-Pooling”, which by default is active but is currently inactive unless the Eli Curf’s EVC on this proposal includes the phrase “Turn it on.”

Give it the following text

In order to Pass the Mantle, the new Eli Curf must make a story post to the blog titled “Mantle Offering”

A Realtor is considered to be Eligible if all of the following are true:
-They have been a (possibly idle) Realtor for the entirety of the last two dynasties (including the one that just completed)
-They have been not idle for at least a portion of each of the last two dynasties (including the one that just completed)
-They have not been the Eli Curf of either of the last two dynasties (including the one that just completed)

If done within 24 hours of the Mantle Offering being made, an Eligible Realtor may declare their claim to the mantle by making a comment on the Mantle Offering which includes a FOR voting icon. At this point, the Eligible Realtor becomes a Mantle Candidate.

24 hours after a Mantle Offering has been made, it is closed and no new Eligible Realtors may declare their claim to the mantle. If there are no Mantle Candidates, the Eli Curf remains the Eli Curf but may now pass the mantle to any Realtor of their choosing (which they must announce by blog post). If there are one or more Mantle Candidates, and no Realtor has resolved the Mantle Offering in question, a Realtor may resolve the Mantle Offering by randomly chosen one of the Mantle Candidates. That Realtor becomes the new Eli Curf (the Realtor who does the random roll must announce the result by blog post). At this point all Mantle Candidates cease to be Mantle Candidates.

Pools with win shares are often times bad for the game. Why don’t we just get rid of them?



22-10-2021 20:07:12 UTC

I don’t like the interdynastic aspect of this. It’s also very long, and I have the selfish preference to try out limiting mantle passing by having a win ranking alongside the win condition. We tried it once in the art dynasty, but that also had no collabs and wasn’t a test of it in a vacuum.

Clucky: he/him

22-10-2021 20:32:15 UTC

win ranking is hard to do all the time

interdynastic aspects help ensure that someone can’t just show up at the end and get the mantle despite not doing anything

Chiiika: she/her

22-10-2021 21:03:41 UTC

I think I will pass this when this goes out of 4 hrs

Chiiika: she/her

22-10-2021 21:04:01 UTC


Zack: he/him

22-10-2021 21:19:01 UTC

I’m not really a fan of the eligibility restrictions.

Clucky: he/him

22-10-2021 21:34:38 UTC

@Zack why not?

If a new player manages to win a dynasty, great that shows enough of an understanding of how the game works to feel comfortable letting them run a dynasty but I think in general otherwise I’d rather have them get a few dynasties under their belt

same goes for people who just joined the most recent dynasty. letting a person get a “win” a few days after they unidled because they rolled well doesn’t seem fair to the people who have been playing reguarlly

finally, letting multiple people have turns running dynasties is great. If you can win one on your own immediately after running one I’m cool with you running again. But if josh runs and I run and we have to pick someone else to run… I’d rather someone else get a turn than Josh (or anyone else in Josh’s position there I like Josh dynasties)


23-10-2021 05:15:28 UTC

This doesn’t forbid the winner from posting an ascension address while the Mantle Offering is open.

Josh: Observer he/they

23-10-2021 09:09:16 UTC


Kevan: he/him

23-10-2021 10:07:44 UTC

[Bucky] Why is that a problem?

But I can’t see that it says anyone has to process the Offering before the mantle can be passed: the winner can make the required story post and immediately pass the mantle to whoever they like.


This does seem overcomplicated, for a rule which could just say “mantle can’t be passed”, with the group being left to CfJ-resolve the (rare) situations where someone wins but doesn’t want to be Emperor, through whatever means seem fair to them at the time.


23-10-2021 10:26:09 UTC


Raven1207: he/they

23-10-2021 14:07:01 UTC


Lulu: she/her

23-10-2021 15:22:15 UTC


Clucky: he/him

23-10-2021 15:31:05 UTC

Because the mantle always needs to be passable.

This provides a clean, fair way to pass it.

Clucky: he/him

23-10-2021 15:47:25 UTC

“the winner can make the required story post and immediately pass the mantle to whoever they like.”

I guess? But 24 hours later the offering would still trigger and replace the Eli Curf

We’ve definitely had one situation where the dynasty winner didn’t want to run (Giolitti). I know its happened to me a few times too. And seen it other times in the past. So while not common, its still common enough that I think we need clear rules in place to describe what to do, not just throw it to the wolves for a popularity contest.

Kevan: he/him

23-10-2021 16:09:49 UTC

The new Eli Curf could set the Anti-Pooling rule to inactive upon their ascension!

Clucky: he/him

23-10-2021 16:40:05 UTC

ah yeah. then that needs to be patched.

fortunately, plenty of time to patch it before it actually becomes a problem


23-10-2021 17:08:17 UTC

for Randomized passing is better than no passing, IMO.

Josh: Observer he/they

23-10-2021 19:10:46 UTC

CoV, mostly per Kevan against

Vovix: he/him

23-10-2021 19:19:25 UTC

for I think it’s good to have as an option, even though I’d prefer a more surgical solution that addresses the boring strategies directly rather than just banning all forms of mantlepass.

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

23-10-2021 22:36:30 UTC

imperial don’t feel like I’ve been part of the game long enough to have good judgement on this.

Brendan: he/him

24-10-2021 00:19:09 UTC


Clucky: he/him

24-10-2021 06:53:58 UTC

@trapdoorspyder I think getting newer players perspectives and input is actually really helpful in situations like this. A lot of us old timers can get stuck in our ways of doing this and used to certain stuff, and newer players can provide a fresh perspective on things

lemon: she/her

24-10-2021 10:11:42 UTC

for i like the idea of randomized mantle-passing, altho i feel unsatisfied w/ this implementation!

redtara: they/them

24-10-2021 14:01:42 UTC

for but “eligible” is a bit too commonly used to be a viable term in the long term imo.