Saturday, October 23, 2021

Proposal: A simple solution

Adminned at 25 Oct 2021 14:03:53 UTC

Add a dynastic rule named “Mantle Limitations”:

The mantle may not be passed.

Timed out and enacted, 9-3. Josh


Josh: he/they

23-10-2021 14:12:31 UTC


The next emperor can choose to keep this, in their AA, if they wish.


23-10-2021 14:16:32 UTC

for lmao


23-10-2021 15:27:48 UTC


Clucky: he/him

23-10-2021 15:29:04 UTC


Clucky: he/him

23-10-2021 15:32:29 UTC

There have been far better solutions proposed that don’t break the game if someone doesn’t want to run a dynasty

Kevan: he/him

23-10-2021 15:33:28 UTC


Kevan: he/him

23-10-2021 15:33:29 UTC


Kevan: he/him

23-10-2021 15:36:57 UTC

(Sorry, must have double-tapped submit on my phone there.)

Clucky: he/him

23-10-2021 15:40:19 UTC

so what happens if the person who just won cannot or does not want to run a dynasty?

do they just make a CfJ passing the mantle off anyways to the person who helps them win, making this rule entirely pointless?

does the game just turn into an arbitrary popularity contest of who can get their CfJ giving them the mantle passed?

do we have to have a meta dynasty?

doesn’t really seem like a situation we want to have to address. The rules should already outline what to do in that scenario.

Kevan: he/him

23-10-2021 15:45:29 UTC

The ruleset is equally silent about what to do if an Emperor says on day one of their dynasty that actually they can’t or don’t want to run it. Throwing it open to the group seems fine.

Clucky: he/him

23-10-2021 15:52:13 UTC

I’d rather not create more popularity contests, especially during contentious periods like at the end of dynasties

“Person who won the last dynasty can’t or doesn’t want to run another one” is a situation that is common enough we should have runs to make it clear how to resolve.

“Person running a dynasty idles before dynasty even starts” is rare enough we can rely on the general failsafes like CfJs to determine how to resolve

Also I feel like I should point out that the data also shows that Kevan’s proposals have a fairly high pass rate, indicating an increased likelihood of him winning popularity contests. Probably something to consider when voting on if we really want to make popularity contests be the way to resolve who gets the mantle.

Kevan: he/him

23-10-2021 16:06:34 UTC

When did “Person who won the last dynasty can’t or doesn’t want to run another one” last happen? Or does this get blurred by team victories, where someone (like Redtara last dynasty?) stands down from the final die roll?

I don’t think letting the group sort it out when they get to it would automatically result in popularity contests: I’d expect us to hand it to whoever seemed to be in second place, if that were apparent. But even if it was a straight vote, I assume people voting for me as a safe pair of hands would be balanced by not voting for me because I’ve had quite enough dynasties already.

redtara: they/them

23-10-2021 16:19:46 UTC


Clucky: he/him

23-10-2021 16:39:06 UTC

Josh won Giolitti but the mantle percentage was all other people who helped him (with like, a tiny percentage for Josh to make the math work out right)

The fact that you claimed “I’d expect us to hand it to whoever seemed to be in second place” but on the discord, Josh suggested “I suspect in practice that the editing Emperor would have control over who got picked” shows there is certainly disagreement as to how the handoff process should work.

I think if we get to the point where the mantle needs to be handed off, and don’t have clear guidelines for how the mantle gets handed off, people are gonna walk away disappointed and frusterated. So I’d rather put in the effort now (or whenever we add rules that restrict no mantle passing) to ensure the process is clearly established so people know what to expect before it happens.

Chiiika: she/her

23-10-2021 16:57:08 UTC


Brendan: he/him

23-10-2021 18:24:35 UTC


Zack: he/him

23-10-2021 18:49:47 UTC

against This would arguably have no effect due to Prioritisation because VnA is much more specific about who and pass the mantle and when.

Kevan: he/him

23-10-2021 18:52:03 UTC

[Zack] Specific-level prioritisation is a few steps down in the list: Dynastic outright has precedence over Core.


24-10-2021 03:31:38 UTC


Raven1207: he/him

24-10-2021 04:26:53 UTC


lemon: she/her

24-10-2021 10:14:32 UTC