Wednesday, August 30, 2006

Proposal: Abstaining

Failed 2-8, cannot reach quorum of 9.—Kevan

Adminned at 31 Aug 2006 21:35:05 UTC

Replace the body of the rule titled “Voting” with the following.

Any musician may cast eir vote on a pending proposal by making a comment containing one or more of the voting icons described below.

If e uses the icon, e has made a FOR vote.
If e uses the icon, e has made an AGAINST vote.
If e uses the icon, e has made a DEFERENTIAL vote except for the conductor for whom this is not a voting icon.
If e uses the icon, e has made an ABSTAIN vote.

If the conductor, uses the icon, e has made a VETO vote.  This icon is not a voting icon for other musician’s.

If a comment contains more than one voting icon then only the last such icon represents the musician’s vote.  If a musician has made more than one comment containing a voting icon on a proposal then the most recent such comment contains eir vote and e is not considered to have made any other vote on that proposal.  However, if a musician has made an AGAINST vote on eir own proposal, that vote may not be changed.

For the purpose of counting votes, if the conductor has voted FOR or AGAINST a proposal then all DEFERENTIAL votes on that proposal are considered to be FOR or AGAINST respectively.  If a musician leaves the game or goes idle, eir vote no longer counts.

The enacting musician may choose a voting icon to represent the ABSTAIN vote, must save the chosen icon at http://blognomic.com/images/vote/abstain.gif and must update the abstain image’s source attribute to be http://blognomic.com/images/vote/abstain.gif when e updates the ruleset.

Comments

Kevan: he/him

30-08-2006 11:31:50 UTC

against I don’t think we need an abstention system, or to explain the icons in the Core Ruleset as well as the Glossary.

Also you seem to have accidentally thrown out the proposer’s vote being inferred to be “FOR”.

ChronosPhaenon:

30-08-2006 12:08:01 UTC

against

Thelonious:

30-08-2006 12:56:41 UTC

Kevan - In the last dynasty there were a few occasions when travellers expressed a desire to undo a vote, to take it back and be left with no vote at all.  However, there’s no way to do that at the moment.  This proposial introduces a mechanism to do so.  Rather neatly, it doesn’t require any other rules to actually talk about ABSTAINing in order for it to work.

In general, I think the whole glossary thing is a little vague.  However, you’re right that I should have repealed the relevant bits of the glossary at the same time.  You’re also right that I accidentally dropped the proposer’s inferred FOR.

However, I think that neither of these things are desperately bad and I’ll fix them in another proposal if this passes.  If, nonetheless, you vote against this proposal because of the two mistakes, please could you indicate whether you’d vote for it if I re-proposed with corrections.

Ta.

Thrawn:

30-08-2006 13:15:06 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

30-08-2006 13:32:15 UTC

Eh, feeling strongly enough to regret your vote but not strongly enough to change it to the opposite seems a bit wishy-washy. I’m generally against abstention in Nomics, simply because it slows the game down.

Cosmologicon:

30-08-2006 14:23:30 UTC

against

Rodney:

30-08-2006 15:27:24 UTC

against

Hix:

30-08-2006 16:51:58 UTC

against

epylar:

30-08-2006 19:00:03 UTC

against

Poe:

31-08-2006 01:11:06 UTC

imperial

Not that it matters at this particular time. ;)

ChronosPhaenon:

31-08-2006 18:50:55 UTC

I’d vote for it if abstentions were counted off the quorum. Just now, we have 3-6 votes, with 7 “abstention” non-voters. May be some of those 7 would be happy to mark this as a explicity abstention vote and be counted off the quorum.

gazebo_dude:

31-08-2006 22:22:05 UTC

against

Angry Grasshopper:

31-08-2006 23:55:48 UTC

I’d prefer to try that mechanic for a game, and then see if it has enough utility to put it in the core rules.

against