Monday, August 04, 2025

Proposal: Late Fees

Fewer than a quorum not voting AGAINST. Failed 4 votes to 8 by Kevan.

Adminned at 06 Aug 2025 08:08:44 UTC

Add the following to Menus

(From Tomorrow:) An Open Truck is Ready if its menu has at least three Dishes

In “Trading Day” add “(Today Only:)” in front of “If at any time every Open Truck has a non-empty Menu then the Yard should make a post announcing that the game has entered the Serve Phase; as soon as they have done so, the game ceases to be in the Prep Phase and starts to be in the Serve phase.”

Add the following To Trading Day

(From Tomorrow:) If at any time every Open Truck is Ready then the Yard should make a post announcing that the game has entered the Serve Phase; as soon as they have done so, the game ceases to be in the Prep Phase and starts to be in the Serve phase.

(From Tomorrow:) As a daily prep action which cannot be performed with the first 48 hours of a Trading Day, the Yard may reduce the Dollars of each Open Truck which is not Ready by 1

(From Tomorrow:) As a daily serve action which cannot be performed if it has been less than 48 hours since the latest Serve Phase began, the Yard may reduce the Dollars of each Closed Truck by 1

Comments

arthexis: he/him

04-08-2025 22:45:19 UTC

for

JonathanDark: he/him

04-08-2025 22:58:08 UTC

Hopefully, “cannot be performed with the first 48 hours of a Trading Day” will be interpreted as a typo that was meant to say “within the first 48 hours”

for

eternalservererror:

04-08-2025 23:34:23 UTC

for

Darknight: he/him

05-08-2025 01:33:57 UTC

for

DoomedIdeas: he/him

05-08-2025 06:04:17 UTC

for

Kevan: Yard he/him

05-08-2025 07:56:49 UTC

I think timeouts and time-based penalties always have unintended effects that undermine what they’re trying to do. The 48-ish hour deadline tells people that they’re not expected to submit a Menu in the first 48 hours. The small $1 fine means that those who can afford it can regard it as a price to pay to optionally get access to enacted today-affecting proposals later in the queue. If you’ve got your Menu in and your rival hasn’t, you can throw out distracting proposals or contentious CfJs, or prolong private negotiations, to see if you can run them into the penalty.

Purely social reminders (formally from the Emperor and informally from the players) seems the better route to take, to me.

against

Vovix: he/him

05-08-2025 08:24:42 UTC

imperial

Desertfrog:

05-08-2025 08:44:47 UTC

against

JonathanDark: he/him

05-08-2025 14:16:56 UTC

Re-reading Kevan’s essay (always a good read in the first place) made me re-think this. Maybe we are better off adopting the “if a player failed to submit orders for round N, then round N+1 wouldn’t wait for them” and add a way to skip over those Trucks in the next Trading Day.

I’ll ponder this, but meanwhile, CoV against

JonathanDark: he/him

05-08-2025 15:30:27 UTC

I proposed an alternative idea that will force-opt-out slow players (they’ll still have a chance to catch up if they start paying attention again).

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

05-08-2025 17:51:53 UTC

against

Nolemeldo:

05-08-2025 20:04:57 UTC

imperial

eternalservererror:

05-08-2025 21:21:55 UTC

against

Chiiika: she/her

06-08-2025 05:57:16 UTC

against