Thursday, August 02, 2007

Proposal: All together now!

Timed Out 2-5

Adminned at 04 Aug 2007 09:59:00 UTC

Add a dynastic rule called ‘Dance Groups’ containing the following text:

Monkeys are cooperative creatures by nature and as such like to dance in groups. Weekly, a Monkey may make a post to the blog entitled ‘X (Dance Group)’, where X is the name of the proposed Dance Group. No proposed Dance Group may have the same name as any existing group. The post shall contain the names of all the Monkeys the proposing Monkey wishes to join the Dance Group. Those Monkeys may then comment to it and say whether they wish to join or not. If all Monkeys wish to join then that group is now Formed, with the Monkey who proposed it becoming its Leader and all the other Monkeys becoming its Members. If not all Monkeys wish to join, the proposing Monkey may choose either to form a group from those who do wish to join or to abandon the group altogether. If they choose the former, the Dance Group becomes Formed as with a complete Dance Group. Any Member of a Formed Dance Group may add their group’s name and list of Members to the Monkey Dynasty Gamestate Documents page.

In addition to forming a new Dance Group, Monkeys may also join an existing group. To do so, they make a post to the blog stating the group they wish to join. The Members of the stated group may then vote on whether they want that Monkey in their group. In such votes, a vote of DEFERENTIAL is considered to be the same as the Leader’s vote and a vote of VETO by the group Leader is considered to prevent the Monkey from joining (although they may attempt again later). If more than half of the votes are FOR, the Monkey becomes a Member of the Dance Group. Monkeys may leave the Dance Group they are in at any time by removing their name from the group’s list of Members. If the Leader leaves the group, it ceases to exist. No Monkey may be a Member of more than one Dance Group at once. Membership of groups is lost when going idle, and on unidling Monkeys must redo the joining procedure if they wish to retain membership.

Add a subrule to the rule ‘Dance Rules’ called ‘Benefits’ containing the following text:

As a bonus, Members of a Dance Group receive an additional number of Dance Moves equal to the number of group Members, divided by two, rounded up. If the number of Members changes, all Members should update their Dance Moves accordingly. If a Member fails to update their Dance Moves, the Leader of their group may do it for them.



08-02-2007 15:36:19 UTC

imperial Big rule for a simple concept. Can’t we just have a GNDT field of “dance group”?


08-02-2007 15:51:59 UTC


The end result will either be everyone in the same dance group, which would be dumb; or a group of elitist monkeys benefiting from a large group while excluding the poor weaker monkeys, which isn’t fun for the poor monkeys. Either way, I dislike it.

Maybe dance groups could combine the dance moves of each of its members? It has been suggested before that moves have certain degrees of complexity. You could say, have a really awesome 20 complexity move, and thus need a group of monkeys to pool their dance moves together to execute that move. So I think the idea shows promise, but I dislike its current form.


08-02-2007 16:15:11 UTC



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08-03-2007 06:11:59 UTC

Clucky: You’ve got some good ideas, but how would you know which monkeys were doing the dance move? It’s all right with a one-Monkey move to have to refer to Monkeys by position, but an uninvolved monkey getting a bonus from a group move that went wrong sounds like cheating. We might need to rethink the concept of ‘self’ if we want any group dancing.


08-03-2007 11:37:51 UTC

Please explain… each group of monkeys would have the power to update their groups dance moves—it would be a trust relationship. As long as none of the moves refer to the monkey who wrote the dance move, everything is fine.


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08-03-2007 15:53:47 UTC

Clucky: Huh? I don’t think we’re thinking of this ‘group dance’ thing in the same way as each other. The way I’m thinking of it is:
1. A Monkey adds a group move to their list of moves.
2. Other monkeys also add the group move.
3. If there are enough Monkeys wishing to perform the group move, it’s performed when the dance is done. Otherwise, it isn’t.

The question is, therefore, how do you refer to all the Monkeys doing the move? If you used position alone to refer to Monkeys it would end up very much like a complicated game of deduction, with monkeys trying to work out where their team-mates would be when they did their move.


08-03-2007 16:05:34 UTC

You wouldn’t refer to all the monkeys doing the move. Because the monkeys are not doing the move—they are simply helping to script the dance.

Besides that point, if you do it your way, at what point is the group move executed? It would work better to just have the group treated like one monkey in terms of moves.


08-03-2007 16:07:31 UTC