Monday, June 26, 2017

Proposal: [Appendix] [Gamestate] My writing is so amazing there’s never a need to erase

Reached quorum 6 votes to 2. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 29 Jun 2017 07:46:27 UTC

Amend rule “Gamestate tracking” by replacing the text:

An official post may be altered or removed by its author if it is less than six hours old and either no Explorer has commented on it or all comments on it contain no voting icons; otherwise this can only be done as allowed by the Ruleset.

with:

An official post may only be removed as allowed by the Ruleset.
An official post may be altered by its author if it is less than six hours old and either no Explorer has commented on it or all comments on it contain no voting icons; otherwise this can only be done as allowed by the Ruleset.

For the purposes of all Gamestate and the Ruleset, except this Proposal, consider that any official post that has been deleted has in fact never existed and was never posted to the blog.

As I explained in this comment: https://blognomic.com/archive/this_time_less_generally#comment133137 , I don’t actually believe deleted official posts were ever a problem; so this Proposal shouldn’t be necessary. But just in case we don’t agree, this would settle that.

Comments

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:

06-26-2017 22:41:22 UTC

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Cuddlebeam:

06-26-2017 22:58:44 UTC

I’d argue that “Removing” is an alteration.

That aside, I think that we should keep deletions but make them more manageable, because newcomers and clutzes sometimes delete stuff because they derp. Also, policing deletions would be a drag.

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card:

06-27-2017 04:35:15 UTC

against I think that Cuddlebeam is correct. Even if you implicitly meant to exclude deletions from being an alteration, people would forget and in short need an explicit mention of it.

pokes:

06-27-2017 10:41:47 UTC

for I don’t think there’s any reason something should be deleted, although the Ruleset should allow for the possibility. I don’t buy that a klutz deletes something because they “derp”

Cuddlebeam:

06-27-2017 11:02:29 UTC

@Pokes: I mean that they delete stuff they do in error. I’m personally fail to login 3-4 times each time I try to access BN. Proposals and such in error isn’t a problem for me though, but I believe it could be for others.

pokes:

06-27-2017 11:13:18 UTC

Do you mean the action was in error or the deletion was an error? It’s not easy to delete something.

pokes:

06-27-2017 11:20:28 UTC

I just don’t like the idea of these loose take-backsies that deleting posts leads to. If someone accidentally posts some action, tough luck. It’s like taking your hand off the piece in chess.

Kevan:

06-28-2017 07:58:04 UTC

Am in two minds on this. The tough-luck-chess makes sense for gameplay situations (the worst case perhaps being a story post action retracted after six hours, after others have responded to it), but sometimes you’re just sparing the other players from having to read and discuss a proposal that you immediately realised wasn’t ready or appropriate.

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Sphinx:

06-28-2017 20:51:29 UTC

for

I’m in favour of making the deletion after >15 minutes or something illegal though.

Sphinx:

06-28-2017 20:52:52 UTC

If deleting it counts as altering it, then splitting the rule in altering and deleting doesn’t do anything.

Sinq:

06-29-2017 04:31:47 UTC

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