Of course, new Zombie creations are impossible until this has been fixed.

because while I agree with the logic, this CfJ does not fix the rules issue.

Hm - but while the rules are being fixed, the current and past gamestate stay illegal.

I tend to just remove all Zs due to their species not determined properly.

Actually, I believe now that this CFJ is illegal since it is, in fact, imposing no change on game state.

Does anyone else disagree with this interpretation?

s/illegal/failable/

I don’t understand what s/illegal/failable/ means, but read the CfJ completly, please:

“Remove all zombies from play and reset all players Defeat values (as no legal zombie reached a house yet) to 0.”

mideg: If your concern with the rules is, in fact, correct, this proposal may be failed as it has no effect on game state, as there never were any zombies nor defeats.

Others: I tend to agree with mideg. If you disagree that I can immediately fail this CFJ and eliminate the effects of every zombie. please say so.

This doesn’t fix the issue that’s being discussed, but it also doesn’t do nothing as coppro is suggesting.

Also, s/illegal/failable is a regular expression used in Perl, Unix, and some other programming languages.  Basically, it replaces the first instance of the word “illegal” with “failable”.

Yoda: Why do you say that there is an issue but that this also does nothing?

Coppro: “doesn’t do nothing” A double negative is not not confusing.

Err, sorry. What effect do you think this CFJ would have?

Actually, Yoda, it should need a trailing slash, s/illegal/failable/.

OK, I think I messed up but do not really see, how. :-)

I know that this CfJ does not fix the issue. From my understanding of the mechanics of a nomic, the proper procedure was to fix the gamestate with a CfJ and the mechanic with proposals.

That’s what I was trying to do: This CfJ is supposed to get rid of all the Zs and their most prominent effect, the ‘Defeated-ness’. The rules would have to be cleaned by a proposal - or so I thought.

I see one mistake with this CfJ, though: It resets the landlords Defeated to 0. Ooops.

How do you all propose we proceed?

Personally, I propose we (via proposal) change the Species subrules into a compendium similar to the Plant Compendium, but don’t bother correcting any “Invalid” zombies in the meantime.

@aguy: Nice suggestion. I like the idea of a compendium. +2 creativity points!! (no they don’t do anything. They’re like the gold star on your report. Makes you feel good though!)

As per the CFJ, I really don’t think that we need to take away everyone’s current work as far as trying to beat the snot out of everyone else’s garden. Because if all these z’s have been “illegal” so has the juice and wood gained from the interaction with the z’s. So in truth, if you want to fix gamestate, you have to do a complete reset back to when the z’s were first created. . . . . which would be a while back. . . . .

The z’s were legal. I do believe that. I’ve had fun with this so far. . . I say just let the cfj die. And it seems to be doing that right now since I don’t see a single for vote.

Momma always said most stains come out in the wash. Let’s add some soap. I like lavender.

I have the feeling that the rules are mostly show. Once we get a problem with the rules, we just look the other way and laugh.

This is sad for a nomic in my opinion, which should be focused on the rules. :-/

mideg: I think most of the complaints are due to the fact that you don’t fix the actual problem (the rule) but instead fix the temporary problem (the gamestate).

We can /change/ the game state via proposal or CFJ to match what the GNDT and wiki says.

Nothing wrong with that.

We can’t pretend this never happened though. We must either do that or continue play under the correct game state.

“We can’t pretend this never happened though.”

Blognomic does it all the time.