Wednesday, May 12, 2021

Proposal: Art for All

Reaches quorum, (10 + imperial def.) - 0. Enacted by pokes.

Adminned at 13 May 2021 12:40:49 UTC

In “Art Submissions”, replace “All art submitted must be appropriate for all ages. Art submissions containing art which the collector believes to be inappropriate or which the collector cannot load are not valid.”:-

Art submissions which the collector cannot load are not valid.

As observed elsewhere, “all ages” rules out many things it probably shouldn’t. If anyone felt like badly transgressing group norms, we’d deal with that in the same way as if they made a regular blog post with that image in, which would have broken no game rules.

Comments

Josh: Observer he/they

12-05-2021 18:51:08 UTC

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Clucky: he/him

12-05-2021 18:53:23 UTC

I’d like to have some veto power over art. Otherwise I become the one potentially responsible for sharing offensive content, even if it was originally submitted by someone else. Maybe keep “the collector believes to be inappropriate” but remove the all ages?

Kevan: he/him

12-05-2021 19:02:52 UTC

I’m sure we’d all appreciate the context. I can’t see it being any different to the same user just posting the image direct to the blog, in terms of how we’d react to it (and deal with it) as a group.

Clucky: he/him

12-05-2021 19:12:58 UTC

I’m curious your feelings: if there is an image that makes a player uncomfortable but the rest of the players are fine with, would you want to do something about that image anyways?

I feel like we probably should in order to be more inclusive.

So in that regard, the fact that I find an image to be inappropriate is probably good enough for its rejection. Now obviously, there might be some content that make other people uncomfortable, so its not a fool proof solution, but it seems better than just doing nothing.

I’m gonna imperial for now, might switch to an against vote, wanna hear from others.

Zack: he/him

12-05-2021 19:14:49 UTC

for I’m fine with giving Clucky veto power as long as it’s used sparingly

Josh: Observer he/they

12-05-2021 19:22:35 UTC

I don’t want Clucky to have veto power over this. Not a huge fan of emperor’s having essentially arbitrary power to decide whether a play is valid or not.

Clucky: he/him

12-05-2021 19:25:01 UTC

So if someone were to submit an image and I went “this image makes me uncomfortable and I’d rather it wasn’t used” you would want the rest of the blog to still be able to go “we think the image is okay so it stays”?

pokes:

12-05-2021 19:27:46 UTC

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Josh: Observer he/they

12-05-2021 19:31:30 UTC

Does anyone else have a line-item taste veto, or just you?

Going back to the earlier conversation: I don’t know what you’re going to be uncomfortable with. Are you talking about hardcore porn, or is there a risk that you’re going to decide that the statue of David is unacceptable? I don’t know, and without us going through the history of art I can’t realistically find out, so I’d rather no-one has a line-item veto and we leave it to the wisdom of crowds.

I’m more than up for implementing sanctions if the players collectively decide that a line has been crossed but I think it should be a collective decision, rather than any one individual being the arbiter of what is sufficiently tasteful.

Tofuna:

12-05-2021 19:33:59 UTC

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Clucky: he/him

12-05-2021 19:41:14 UTC

I would think that if any player goes “this content makes me uncomfortable” and its done from a place of honesty and not a strategic game maneuver, we should respect that and make the game more welcoming for that player. Better to simply not have say, pictures of paintings which include tasteful nudity, than to have players who don’t want to deal with that content not playing the game.

Now, of course, everyone else doesn’t get the flexibility of seeing everything before its made. Gotta work within the system available.

Raven1207: he/they

12-05-2021 20:04:23 UTC

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Snisbo: she/they

12-05-2021 21:00:25 UTC

This one is realllly tricky to work with, because it’s all subjective. Finding any objective fact about art is always hard, but I think in this case it may be worth putting a blanket rule on anyone being able to veto a piece, as long as it’s done before any votes are revealed. On that note, I need to read back over and see if votes are public or not…

Snisbo: she/they

12-05-2021 21:02:32 UTC

Ok, I checked, and I think the way it’s handled now, as long as no ballot submissions from that round have been posted yet, anyone should be allowed to bring up a CfJ on a piece on grounds of it being inappropriate. On that note for

Janet: she/her

12-05-2021 21:42:47 UTC

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lemon: she/her

12-05-2021 22:19:36 UTC

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Snisbo: she/they

12-05-2021 22:25:53 UTC

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Snisbo: she/they

12-05-2021 22:26:26 UTC

Oops, didn’t think I had voted on this one yet. Ignore the one directly above!

Darknight: he/him

13-05-2021 12:07:26 UTC

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