Saturday, March 03, 2018

Call for Judgment: Atomic inaction

Fewer than a quorum not voting AGAINST, failed 0-3 by Kevan.

Adminned at 03 Mar 2018 12:34:25 UTC

In “Atomic Actions” amend:

When a Resident performs an Atomic Action, they must complete all its steps; they must complete them in order; and they may not take any other action defined in the Ruleset until all such steps are complete.

to:

When a Resident performs an Atomic Action, they must complete all its steps in order and they may not take any other action defined in the Ruleset until all such steps are complete, with one exception: if they reach a point where they are unable to continue the Atomic Action, it is considered an illegal action and all gamestate is reverted to the state it had just before the Resident attempted it.

Comments

Madrid:

03-03-2018 08:41:25 UTC

Just noting that this should pass before I get revived by post-Drop Crate so that I don’t die again lol, I need the HP.

Kevan: he/him

03-03-2018 08:59:18 UTC

Rolling back “all gamestate” and then applying it to an action that happened yesterday will also roll back this CfJ. I’m not sure we want to be rolling dead-end Atomics back - as well as trampling over other gameplay, it also doesn’t safely address the problem (mentioned in the previous Crate) of Atomic steps which have a chance of failure. If a coin flip means that the Atomic becomes a dead end, the action taker just rolls it back and flips the coin again, repeating until the action gets through.

(Unrelatedly, I’m not sure “unable to continue the Atomic Action” really flies in a Nomic where rules can be changed. Cuddlebeam will still be “able” to continue the current one, once the correct CfJ or proposal has been made.)

Changing “any other action defined in the Ruleset” to “any dynastic action” might be a better way to go here. We should consider it for safety alone (if we’ve all taken a common Atomic and then realise it was actually unfinishable, the Nomic freezes), and it would let a player dig themselves out by proposal if they dived into a dead-end Atomic for whatever reason.

Diabecko:

03-03-2018 09:03:32 UTC

While you were posting I removed the retroactive application of the rule to Cuddlebeam since we’ve started a new crate now.
But yeah, you’re right this is again a bad proposal.  against

pokes:

03-03-2018 11:13:30 UTC

against

card:

03-03-2018 11:21:06 UTC

against