Sunday, August 27, 2006

Proposal: Bad idea

Cannot be Enacted without CoV (1-8)
Failed by Hix

Adminned at 28 Aug 2006 15:43:06 UTC

Change all occurrences of “Section Leader” in the ruleset to “Admin.”

Change the last paragraph of Rule 1.9 from

When a DoV passes, all other active DoVs are failed, and a new Dynasty begins with the Musician who made the DoV as its Conductor. (That Musician may pass this role to another Musician at this point, if they wish.) The Hiatus continues until the new Conductor posts an Ascension Address to the BlogNomic weblog - this shall specify Conductor’s chosen theme for the new Dynasty, and may optionally include a proclamation that any number of Dynastic Rules will be repealed, and that any keywords will be replaced with new theme-appropriate terms.

to

When a DoV passes, all other active DoVs are failed, and a new Dynasty begins with the Musician who made the DoV as its Conductor. (That Musician may pass this role to another Musician at this point, if they wish.) The Hiatus continues until the new Conductor posts an Ascension Address to the BlogNomic weblog. An Ascension Address shall specify the Conductor’s chosen theme for the new Dynasty. An Ascension Address may include a proclamation that does one or more of the following:

* repeals one or more Dynastic Rules. * replaces all occurences in the Ruleset of the keyword “Musician” with a new, theme-appropriate term. * replaces all occurences in the Ruleset of the keyword “Conductor” with a new, theme-appropriate term.

As Kevan stated a while back, it’s a bad idea for adminship or super-adminship to get too tied into Dynastic mechanics—- even, I think, in name.  When it comes to online community types of things, the concept of adminship should be unambiguous to newcomers. In BlogNomic, it should be free from Dynastic implications. The “One leader per section” Proposal is proof that this is a potential risk. Let’s fix it now.

Comments

Rodney:

27-08-2006 21:56:40 UTC

against While I agree that Adminship should not be tied into a Dynasty’s mechanics, if an Emperor has the ability to choose not to repeal certain rules, e should have the ability to change the keywords within.

epylar:

27-08-2006 22:26:30 UTC

This proposal allows the * to repeal no rules, some rules, or all rules, as well as change -all- or -no- occurences of either keyword, or both.  I don’t see the problem.  imperial

Rodney:

28-08-2006 00:31:01 UTC

In the past, when rules were carried over from previous Dynasties, they were rethemed by changing their keywords. With this, Emperors are unable to do this.

Kevan: he/him

28-08-2006 02:01:00 UTC

for Although I don’t think it needs a whole bullet-list to say it.

Seventy-Fifth Trombone:

28-08-2006 02:16:31 UTC

I didn’t either, but the way I started writing it required triple-nested recursive and/but/or conditionals to avoid a bullet list.  So I used a bullet list.

epylar:

28-08-2006 02:25:24 UTC

Rodney, you state that this proposal prohibits Emperors from changing keywords in a particular setting.

The proposed new rule says (. . . for omitted text),

An Ascension Address may include a proclamation that does one or more of the following:

. . .
* replaces all occurences in the Ruleset of the keyword “Musician” with a new, theme-appropriate term.
* replaces . . . Ruleset . . . “Conductor” . . .


I don’t see how this prohibits that?

epylar:

28-08-2006 02:25:51 UTC

for

Bucky:

28-08-2006 02:26:50 UTC

against What Rodney said.

Plus, I don’t want anyone to be able to repeal Dynastic Rules whenever they want just by posting an Ascension Address.  (Currently I can post an Address whenever I want but it won’t do anything.)

Bucky:

28-08-2006 02:27:10 UTC

(Suggest VETO)

epylar:

28-08-2006 02:40:08 UTC

Bucky, ‘The Hiatus continues until the new Conductor posts an Ascension Address to the BlogNomic weblog. An Ascension Address shall specify the Conductor’s chosen theme for the new Dynasty. An Ascension Address may include a proclamation that does one or more of the following:’

you are neither the conductor nor the new conductor.  How does this allow you to repeal Dynastic Rules?

epylar:

28-08-2006 02:41:25 UTC

(I’d also like to point out that changing the keywords ruleset wide would change this rule to say, e.g., Arbiter, instead of Conductor, when the keyword was changed.  ‘all occurences’)

Kevan: he/him

28-08-2006 03:11:10 UTC

Isn’t Bucky’s concern caught by the fact that “the Ruleset and Gamestate can only be altered in manners specified by the Ruleset”? Ascension Addresses exist, and count as gamestate because they’re regulated, therefore can only be posted when the rules specify.

This is quite thin ice, though.

Bucky:

28-08-2006 03:31:43 UTC

Ascension Address is a subcategory of a Post, which I’m allowed to make at any time.  As currently written, the Ruleset doesn’t regulate the creation of Ascension Addresses.  It does say that under certain conditions (i.e. posted by the new Conductor at the beginning of a Dynasty) the Address has extra effects.

The new version allows an Address posted at any time to repeal rules or rename the Musicians, since we all know what the Conductor’s chosen teme for the dynasty is.

Thrawn:

28-08-2006 03:48:00 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

28-08-2006 05:14:58 UTC

I suppose “until the new Conductor posts an Ascension Address” doesn’t count as regulating the posting of the Address.

against CoV.

Hix:

28-08-2006 15:33:32 UTC

against epylar, I think what Rodney and others were saying is that sometimes the new Emperor wants to change keywords besides just “Musician” and “Conductor”.  This is especially useful if e chooses not to repeal all/most of the Dynastic Rules.

I also don’t think the keyword change should be restricted to just the Ruleset.  When I ascended, there were some Core Rule changes on the Proposal queue that I didn’t want to veto, so I changed “Monk” to “Traveller” etc. in the Proposal text, too.

ChronosPhaenon:

28-08-2006 15:38:06 UTC

against

epylar:

28-08-2006 19:10:49 UTC

against

Cosmologicon:

28-08-2006 22:00:54 UTC

against