Wednesday, December 09, 2015

Proposal: Bakshish

Number of Clerks not voting AGAINST is less than Quorum (3 votes to 4). Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 10 Dec 2015 18:22:55 UTC

Add a new subrule to “Money”, entitled “Petty Cash”:

Petty Cash is tracked in the GNDT as if it were a Clerk. It may only have a value held in its “Money” column. Clerks may transfer Money from Petty Cash to themselves or vice-versa at any time.

Add a new subrule to “Committees”, called “Investigations”:

The Investigations Committee has one seat. Its Power is to name a Clerk who has transferred money directly to another Clerk, specify what was given in exchange, and move the Money from the Clerk who received it to Petty Cash.

Add a new subrule to “Committees”, called “Club”:

The Club Committee has three seats. Its Power is to take 1 Money from each Clerk not on the Club Committee and add it to Petty Cash.

Comments

Murphy:

09-12-2015 16:32:33 UTC

for

Tantusar: he/they

09-12-2015 19:23:07 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

09-12-2015 19:33:45 UTC

for

A flashing red timing-scam light on the dashboard for Petty Cash being filled up by enacted Motions and emptiable “at any time”, though - which in practice will mean “by the Motion-enacting admin”, making it a timing issue to get there first.

quirck: he/him

09-12-2015 19:44:28 UTC

imperial

quirck: he/him

09-12-2015 19:53:21 UTC

against Investigations Committee may “specify what was given in exchange” incorrectly, and still steal the money; not every investigation can be verified. Also the admin enacting Motion I is at an advantage to immediately grab the money (how much, by the way? also not specified clearly)

Tantusar: he/they

09-12-2015 19:55:02 UTC

against for aforementioned issues.

Kevan: he/him

09-12-2015 20:07:17 UTC

I think the “and” on the name/specify/move means that you have to do all three correctly. And yes, “specify what was given in exchange” is unprovable, and easily circumvented by attaching secret extra clauses to any deal (“0.1 Money for you to vote for my Motion, and to not make any knock-knock jokes this dynasty”).

quirck: he/him

09-12-2015 20:10:10 UTC

Oh, one more point. To cite Kevan, “The intention here is to try for a dynasty without any instantaneous actions, to see what happens - all game actions should be in the form of proposals to amend the gamestate” Petty Cash doesn’t fit here

Kevan: he/him

09-12-2015 20:15:04 UTC

Passing Money to other Clerks is already instantaneous, in fairness. But Petty Cash does introduce a race condition.

quirck: he/him

09-12-2015 20:15:32 UTC

Though strictly speaking transferring money is also instantaneous.. But it at least doesn’t have those timing issues

quirck: he/him

09-12-2015 20:16:21 UTC

Almost simultaneously :)

RaichuKFM: she/her

09-12-2015 21:03:22 UTC

against Per quirck.

archon:

10-12-2015 11:51:54 UTC

against yeah, this seems to go agaisnt the spirt of the commitiees. it seems abusable, and the whole timing dpedant thing seems bad.