Monday, January 08, 2007

Call for Judgment: Changing the Rules

This passes. Alot to none.—Clucky

Adminned at 10 Jan 2007 19:53:24 UTC

During the Football Tournament, the Coach noticed a flaw in the balance of the tournament rules, and changed them in the middle of the tournament.  After a quick reading of the Rules, this seems legal.

However, the Coach then invalidated an earlier game (in which Blognomic beat Excalabur Homeland) because it did not comply with the new rules.  I believe this to be illegal.

One of the basic principles of Nomic (which the Ruleset hints at in places) is that actions are judged by the Rules as they were at the time that the action was taken, rather than the Rules at any later, or earlier point in time. One can see where this is important; The alternative is to take actions while not knowing whether they’re legal or not.

Therefore, the Blognomic vs. EH game had been legally conducted, and as such, Blognomic should have won at least the Silver Medal.

Should this CfJ Pass, all Medals won from that Team Football tournament shall be confiscated, and games 3 and 4 of said tournament shall be re-rolled using the original result of Game1, under the version of the Team Soccer/Football Rules that were in effect at 01:38 AM on January 8th, 2007, (that is, after Clucky changed them mid-tournament), and medals shall be awarded according to those Rules.

(for reference, the stats of the Olympians in the event were:
spikebrennen:5,5,5,5
Bucky:4,2,6,3
Clucky:2,4,4,5)

posted by Bucky at 08 Jan 2007 05:06:00 UTC Comments (14)

Comments

Clucky: he/him

08-01-2007 15:36:56 UTC

I personally disagree. I changed the rules, and it is only fair that every game be played under said changed rules. The only way I could justify changing the rules was to call everything prior to the rule change a practice run.

JoshuaGross:

08-01-2007 18:13:17 UTC

I agree with Bucky. Every game should be played under the rules, but only after rules are passed. If a rule is invalid, that needs to be decided before the rule is applied.

Bucky:

08-01-2007 19:58:07 UTC

JoshuaGross: Your vote doesn’t count as a vote unless it has a ” for ” in it.

alethiophile:

08-01-2007 19:58:14 UTC

If a rule is changed, it cannot apply retroactively. If it could, then a person could change a rule to punish a personal enemy for doing something that they already did and that was legal at the time of the act. I agree with Bucky.

Hix:

08-01-2007 22:01:13 UTC

for (some of y’all ought to vote rather than simply “agreeing with Bucky”)

Scaramouche:

09-01-2007 01:32:03 UTC

for  seems fair.

spikebrennan:

09-01-2007 02:31:36 UTC

for (I posted a comment to this effect last night but gremlins seem to have eaten the post.)

JoshuaGross:

09-01-2007 14:52:44 UTC

for

Rodney:

09-01-2007 17:11:33 UTC

for

alethiophile:

09-01-2007 19:52:25 UTC

Okay, this is my official vote.  for

alethiophile:

09-01-2007 23:09:43 UTC

It appears that the CfJ has reached a quorum of for votes. It should be enacted.

Clucky: he/him

10-01-2007 14:59:55 UTC

i realized I need to vote on this.  for

ChinDoGu:

11-01-2007 02:47:14 UTC

for

Clucky: he/him

11-01-2007 03:54:15 UTC

Ok. I passed this so that if someone wants to, they can run the event. If not, i’ll do it in the morning. Remember to only use the two original team members, because any other sign ups were passed the given deadline for signing up.