Monday, March 20, 2017

Declaration of Victory: Cuddlebeam Wins

A quorum against after 12 hours, 1 vote to 8. Failed by Kevan. Cuddlebeam “cannot make another DoV until after 120 hours (5 days) have passed since the time their DoV was failed”.

Adminned at 20 Mar 2017 20:49:59 UTC

By the time you read this, its likely already Enacted.

Full explanation in that other post.

Comments

Kevan:

03-20-2017 09:37:19 UTC

against Locking this down with a voting icon, for now.

Tantusar:

03-20-2017 09:46:53 UTC

Note: Not an Organ, just an interested observer.

Have made comments on why I don’t think this works over on Slack.

pokes:

03-20-2017 11:31:13 UTC

against because (IMO) changing the category of an official post mutates a matter but doesn’t put forward a new matter, and the mutated matter inherits its previous state of Pending.

pokes:

03-20-2017 11:34:09 UTC

I suppose I could have just said: “I vote on this.” and my vote defaults to against, the first alphabetically.

Cuddlebeam:

03-20-2017 12:09:01 UTC

Then the same procedure would work, if it was a “DoV”->“Official post that isn’t a Votable Matter” (so it can’t be Pending)->“Dov”, instead of a CfJ in the middle?

Cuddlebeam:

03-20-2017 12:11:33 UTC

Also, it wouldn’t be a vote because votes are defined as “Each Organ may cast one Vote on a Votable Matter by making a comment to the Official Post that comprises that Votable Matter using a voting icon of FOR, AGAINST, or DEFERENTIAL”, and just saying “I vote on this” doesn’t contain an icon, ergo its not a vote, ergo it wouldn’t default to a vote value because its not a vote in the first place.

pokes:

03-20-2017 12:20:53 UTC

DoV -> official non-votable matter -> DoV would address that one specific concern, but not any of my others.

Sphinx:

03-20-2017 12:43:03 UTC

I still think, the edited post is either:

The same, and keeps it’s pending status

Or not the same, so gets it’s starting value of pending.

derrick:

03-20-2017 12:54:57 UTC

against
A Pending DoV may be enacted if any of the following is true:

  It has been open for voting for at least 12 hours, has a number of FOR Votes that exceed or equal Quorum, and either the Statolith has Voted FOR it or it has no AGAINST Votes.
  It has been open for voting for at least 24 hours, has a number of FOR Votes that exceed or equal Quorum, and has a number of AGAINST Votes lesser than half of Quorum, rounded down.
  It has been open for voting for at least 48 hours, has a number of Votes that exceed or equal Quorum, and more than half of its valid Votes are FOR.

This DoV may not be enacted. Cuddlebeam will argue “May” mumbo jumbo, but the rules clearly indicate this is an illgal state. He may be able to argue for a win by paradox in that case, but blognomic does not accept or encourage win by paradox.

Kevan:

03-20-2017 13:23:06 UTC

Explicit against having read the explanation, and with the same reasoning as Sphinx. Either it’s the same Votable Matter all along and remains Pending, or it’s three different Votable Matters in sequence, in which case the third was “put forward” after the second.

Sphinx:

03-20-2017 13:43:52 UTC

against

Actually voting.

Even if the dov somehow had a state of enacted, it would not have any effect, since it couldn’t be enacted since it is already enacted. The actual enacting process never happened though, so it’s effect never happens.

Maybe there’s some differences regarding reading of “may be enacted” as “may be in the state of enacted” vs “May go through the process of being enacted”.

Oracular rufio:

03-20-2017 14:26:09 UTC

against

card:

03-20-2017 17:40:35 UTC

against Per above reasoning.

orkboi:

03-20-2017 17:46:53 UTC

against

Viv:

03-20-2017 19:06:08 UTC

against

Oracular rufio:

03-20-2017 20:38:46 UTC

It’s been 12 hours, and we have a quorum of against.  Let’s fail this now and get back to the game.