The reason for the new method was not so much about new players, but about the start of a dynasty, when a) there are often core ruleset fixes needed (often for things that collapsed the previous dynasty), and b) everyone wants to start proposing rules for the new dynasty. The potential issue is that people prioritise b) over a) at the start of a dynasty, meaning that for a while people have to live with a broken ruleset. So either someone has to sacrifice their slots for the sake of the nomic as a whole (which, if you think nomic is about winning rather than being a community, is merely a bad rule), or the core rules stay fixed and people try to ignore the fact.

Perhaps it might work better to generalise CFJs into being used for core proposals generally, instead; I wonder if that would be clearer? (The “three or more proposals that day” is bizarre enough as-is, and makes no sense to a new player; has it ever triggered, and has it triggered recently? I understand what it’s needed for, but especially with the slow veto we have nowadays, would seem unlikely to trigger even deliberately.)

[ais] Sorry, I mean that the increasing silence of new players might be down to them being confused by the proposal rule, and being too nervous to make their first proposal, not that the current rule is for their benefit. I appreciate that we’re losing some flexibility to repair broken core rules at the start of a dynasty, but I don’t think it comes up that often - on balance I think it’s healthier for the game to keep the core rules clear and simple, at the cost of losing that slight extra freedom.

Encouraging CfJs might be a nice idea, particularly for eliminating deferential voting - the Emperor usually has to step up and tell people not to vote deferentially, if it’s a significant core change. And fair point on the three-proposal limit. I think the main reason was to prevent admin abuse (either killing and reproposing their own bad proposals in an empty queue, or setting up an infinite proposal scam, if a mechanic triggered on proposal creation or failure), but maybe we could raise the cap a little and bury it in the glossary.

per ais and I don’t think it is the cause of new players not making proposals.

When it comes to the core rules, simpler=better

[Travis] Welcome to BlogNomic, but you’ll need to formally request to become a player before you can join the game and start voting.

Heh, I just noticed that this proposal is Kevan’s third at once, so it’s basically just a proposal to make itself illegal. Is Kevan trying to rack up Intelligence via submitting uncontroversialish proposals?

It doesn’t make itself illegal, since the proposal was submit at the time it was legal, and the rule only restricts the submission of proposals.

This isn’t the reason I haven’t proposed anything yet.  Mostly time constraints.