Tuesday, June 07, 2011

Proposal: Ely’s lonely Quest against a Point System

Vetoed.—Yoda

Adminned at 08 Jun 2011 20:43:12 UTC

If the proposal “Point goal” passes, through the whole ruleset replace the keyword “Farmer” with “Millstone”.
Repeal rule “Points”.

I don’t like the point system.
1. It is a thematically poor mechanics (we want the Zombies to come?) We must survive Zombies, it’s not a happy Zombie hunt;
2. It tends to slow down the gameplay: we don’t want to make weak zombies because they’ll give us litttle or no points, and give our opponents a good amount of points. Unless we want to help another Millstone, wich brings me to…
3. It’s easily scammable or abusable by Millstones plotting together;
4. It’s almost a grinding mechanics (or, it is based on two daily actions to be performed many times)
5. Since its only purpose is to give victory, and it’s a mechanic I can’t trust to be stable, we can live without it.

Nothing personal with the Farmers that proposed it, obviously.

Comments

Purplebeard:

07-06-2011 07:30:38 UTC

against Millstones?

aguydude:

07-06-2011 07:43:20 UTC

for Trivial

I say trivial because it is highly unlikely for both this and the point goal to pass, so all this does is kill the Points rule, which does nothing by itself.  I’m voting for it anyhow because it brings us one step further away from the stupid points system.

I still prefer my victory idea better (i.e., last farmer with a house standing wins), though I admit it hurts participation by defeated farmers if you don’t have a long enough delay to give farmers a chance to destroy the last farmer standing and reset the defeat count.  I suppose defeated farmers could also offer support to remaining farmers via secret alliances.

Ely:

07-06-2011 07:47:15 UTC

The Millstone thing is impossible to happen, if you guys vote consistently. If not, it will be fun.

mideg:

07-06-2011 07:55:55 UTC

for Trivial per aguydude.
I like your victory idea. Maybe we can introduce a mechanic into it that accelerates gameplay per house lost? This would shorten the game once several players are out.

For example, defeated Farmers can control Zombies, maybe even their own Zombies. Maybe in some more free fashion than the current behavior subroutines?

aguydude:

07-06-2011 08:12:58 UTC

Mideg: Hmmm.  I just had a thought.  Maybe a player could cancel out their defeats if they successfully defeated another farmer with fewer defeats than them.  This does not cause them game to be neverending (the total number of defeats never reduces), but gives defeated farmers a chance at redemption.

mideg:

07-06-2011 08:16:31 UTC

Sounds good to me.

Ely:

07-06-2011 09:05:21 UTC

aguydude,
I like that idea, but I think that that bonus “lifepoint” would be a little too random. e.g.: A and B have a Wanderer each in my badly defenced plot. The first one to the house wins?
While this could be cool in some way, I’m afraid it’d get to a “Shamble race”, giving advantage to those living in America, for exemple. (24 is about 17 there)

ais523:

07-06-2011 13:18:48 UTC

for

Yoda:

07-06-2011 15:02:57 UTC

veto I think this is as good a time as ever to pull out the veto card, since it changes a keyword which I specifically defined in my AA.  I have nothing against the discussion, though, so carry on.

Ely:

07-06-2011 16:18:15 UTC

Oh cool my second veto!
Now Yoda, this does not change anything about keywords, since “point goal” is going (probably) to fail. Why do you keep vetoing my keyword changes? :P
I don’t think the Veto should be used to “defend your Emperor Privilegies” (btw, a purely trivial one), but to keep stability and give a particolar direction to your Dynasty.
The Millstone keyword change was a joke, since it could hardly pass.

Ely:

07-06-2011 16:19:11 UTC

Oh, does BNscript find the Veto for you? Because it doesn’t here (yes, the Emperor is set).

Ely:

07-06-2011 16:23:37 UTC

I’d like to ask a beneficent soul to repropose it, since the Emperor decided to Veto it for a completely trivial reason while it was having a majority of FOR’s, and I’ll get my slot back in at least a day.
You might even earn 5 Sun if you do ;)