Monday, May 08, 2023

Proposal: Expand the Red Tape

Times out and fails 4-4. -Bucky

Adminned at 10 May 2023 17:48:16 UTC

Create a subrule of Municipal Authority called Regional Meetings:

There is a kind of event post called a Regional Meeting, which may be created by applicable Canton, Prefecture, Burgh, and Township actions. Where it is created by such an action, it is considered to belong to the Region in which the City Architect who performed the action has a city. If their city has no Region, a Region is created and the city is placed into is as part of the action of creating the Regional Meeting.

Regional Meetings, by default, may only be voted on by City Architects who have a city in that meeting’s Region, and the Quorum of the Regional Meeting is calculated as being a Quorum of only the City Architects that are permitted to vote on it.

The Response Format of a Regional Meeting is a valid Voting Icon as per the rule Votes, and the Regional Meeting is treated as a Votable Matter for the purposes of the rest of that rule too. A Regional Meetings is found to be Popular rather than Unpopular if it has been open for 48 hours or longer and the only valid vote that has been cast on it is a single FOR vote. A Regional Meeting is found to be Popular if it has been made by the only City Architect that is permitted to vote on it.

A Regional Meeting may be ended by any City Architect who is permitted to vote on it, so long as it is either Popular or Unpopular. A Regional Meeting that has been open for one week or longer may be considered Unpopular and closed by any City Architect.

If the majority of EVCs contain the text “Just the basics”, ignore the rest of this proposal below.

Create a subrule of Municipal Authority called “Separate”:

Separate is a Township action which can be done at any time as a weekly action by any City Architect that has a suitably high Municipal Authority level to have unlocked Township actions. When a City Architect Separates, their city is removed from their Region.

Create a subrule of Municipal Authority called “Invite”:

Inviting is a Burgh action which can be done at any time by any City Architect that has a suitably high Municipal Authority level to have unlocked Burgh actions. When a City Architect Invites, they create a Regional Meeting which declares that they are Inviting, and declaring which City is being invited. Only cities without a Region, or cities in a Region that contains no other cities are considered valid targets for this. If that Regional Meeting is closed as Popular, the City Architect who owns the targetted city is permitted to remove their city from its Region then add their City to the Region of the Regional Meeting. They can do this a single time within the 168 hours following the meeting’s closure.

Create a subrule of Municipal Authority called “Expel”:

Expel is a Burgh action which can be done at any time by any City Architect that has a suitably high Municipal Authority level to have unlocked Burgh actions. When a City Architect Expels, they create a Regional Meeting which declares that they are Expelling, and declaring which City is being expelled. Only cities in the Regional Meeting’s region are considered valid targets for this. If that Regional Meeting is closed as Popular, the targetted city is immediately removed from the Regional Meeting’s region.

Think of these actions as less about leaving or joining a literal geographical region, and more like redrawing the borders of the region to include the city. The main intent of this proposal is to allow the management of a region by suitably powerful members, though they need majority approval to do anything of note. Removing members does come at a cost however, as your prosperity will suffer compared to regions with a lot of members.

Comments

JonathanDark: he/him

08-05-2023 15:02:53 UTC

<blockquoteIf that Regional Meeting is closed as Popular, the City Architect who owns the targetted city is permitted to add their City to the Region</blockquote>

You should probably add “, removing their City from any Region if it is in one as a first step.” Otherwise, the rule “each City being contained in at most one Region” would prevent the City Architect from adding their City to another Region.

JonathanDark: he/him

08-05-2023 15:03:10 UTC

Sorry for the messed-up tags

SingularByte: he/him

08-05-2023 15:05:22 UTC

Done

JonathanDark: he/him

08-05-2023 15:18:30 UTC

Another issue: when a City is Separated or Expelled, what Region does it go to? The rules state “Cities are grouped into Regions”, which I think means that a City must be in a Region at all times.

Maybe this Proposal could fix that by simply changing it to “Cities may be grouped into Regions”.

SingularByte: he/him

08-05-2023 15:23:52 UTC

I don’t think it’s necessary to change anything? The rule states that one can be in at most one region, rather than in exactly one region.

summai:

08-05-2023 17:42:36 UTC

I am confused about a couple of things.

The first confusion arises I think, from my understanding of what votable matters are. If a regional meeting is considered popular can an admin enact the same? Does this also extend to core and appendix rules? If so this sounds scary. Or are regional meetings limited in scope only to the mechanics that we allow them to (like separate, invite, etc?)

The second confusion is relatively tame. What happens when a city who has created or has voted on a regional meeting separates or is expelled while the regional meets is still open?

SingularByte: he/him

08-05-2023 18:11:48 UTC

Okay, I’ve adjusted the wording of it so now it’s only considered a votable matter for the purposes of the rule Votes, not the rest of the Votable Matter core rules. It isn’t enacted by an admin, and can’t make changes outside the scope of the relevant action type.

For your second point, presumably their vote would cease to be valid.

Bucky:

08-05-2023 19:33:50 UTC

for Just the basics

summai:

09-05-2023 01:35:44 UTC

for

JonathanDark: he/him

09-05-2023 17:31:09 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

10-05-2023 07:44:18 UTC

for

Josh: Observer he/they

10-05-2023 08:16:08 UTC

against

redtara: they/them

10-05-2023 12:34:36 UTC

against

Brendan: he/him

10-05-2023 12:53:28 UTC

against I’d rather just turn on Alliances and put Regions under that framework.

Bucky:

10-05-2023 17:47:28 UTC

CoV against Just the Basics